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Old 09-17-2005, 04:53   #1 (permalink)
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12's out of a 302efi EB

Ok guys and gals help me out here my mate has just bought my EB 302 and wants to try to run 12's without stroking, one is this possible and two how.I already have a 2800 stall and 3.7 gears ,genie headers 3" mandral bent exh. k+n flat bed filter,s5 conversion. if any of this gear is no good please advise.if you have any ideas on this and prices as well it would be muchly appreciated. Also can you tell me the name of the guy on here with the underdrive pulley's.thanks
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Old 09-17-2005, 07:26   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 12's out of a 302efi EB

When I see "EB" in relation to anything Ford, I think Eddie Bauer, which is a package offered on some of the Stateside SUVs... but I doubt that's the case.

It's not incredibly easy to run 12s with a non-stroked 302, but it is possible. I'd say you're off to a good start with the exhaust- swap intakes (BBK just recently introduced a great one for the EFI 302), TB, injectors, and you should be close. If not, aftermarket heads would do wonders. Also, you could think about aluminum flexplate/flywheel, better springs/shocks (springs/shocks are WAY underrated in 1/4mi times), control arms... there are a million things that can be done. If an EFI 302-based Mustang has a good suspension, I'd say that'll do the best in getting closer to consistent 12s (I'd imagine it to be the same for those of you lucky enough to not have the limitations placed on our versions of cars).
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Old 09-17-2005, 14:45   #3 (permalink)
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I'd be looking at the X303 ford motorsport alloy heads and a GT40 intake manifold, with a B303 cam first. Should be good for 260-280kw (probably a mid to low 13 with the diff gears, anyone done this?). From there I'd supercharge (10 psi should just about double your output done properly, and I'd estimate low elevens/high tens given traction). By the way, what's an s5 conversion (manual?)
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I'd be looking at the X303 ford motorsport alloy heads and a GT40 intake manifold, with a B303 cam first. Should be good for 260-280kw (probably a mid to low 13 with the diff gears, anyone done this?). From there I'd supercharge (10 psi should just about double your output done properly, and I'd estimate low elevens/high tens given traction). By the way, what's an s5 conversion (manual?)
If the mods you listed would put it mid-to-low 13s, I'd say suspension work would definitely dip the car into the 12s. You can bolt-on and supercharge all you want, but it's all useless if you can't get the power planted to the ground. Suspension is the most over-looked performance modification, in my opinion.
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By the way, what's an s5 conversion (manual?)
I believe the S5 is a solenoid in the 4 speed auto ??
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When I see "EB" in relation to anything Ford, I think Eddie Bauer, which is a package offered on some of the Stateside SUVs... but I doubt that's the case.

It's not incredibly easy to run 12s with a non-stroked 302, but it is possible. I'd say you're off to a good start with the exhaust- swap intakes (BBK just recently introduced a great one for the EFI 302), TB, injectors, and you should be close. If not, aftermarket heads would do wonders. Also, you could think about aluminum flexplate/flywheel, better springs/shocks (springs/shocks are WAY underrated in 1/4mi times), control arms... there are a million things that can be done. If an EFI 302-based Mustang has a good suspension, I'd say that'll do the best in getting closer to consistent 12s (I'd imagine it to be the same for those of you lucky enough to not have the limitations placed on our versions of cars).
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Considering a Sprint with mild mods can do 14.5 you'd need some serious induction mods..76 mm maf / 75 t/b,24 or 30 Lb injectors, some serious heads, AFR 185's, RPM, TFS R heads etc with top line inlet.I like the rpm ll and a cam that may not be that street friendly? Personally I wouldn't go bigger than Cranes 2030 or 2031, 10 to 1 comp, 3.7 gears, soft springs, good 10/90 shocks and SLICKS !!! Hammering these engines hard off the line..You have potenial to "cracking" the block also....Good luck with T5 or auto...
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Hammering these engines hard off the line..You have potenial to "cracking" the block also....Good luck with T5 or auto...
That's why no one should run a 300+hp 302 without a main girdle unless it's an aftermarket block. I'd still run one. They can be bought on eBay for cheap- just be ready to grind a couple of edges on the girdle, since they don't have perfect precision on the cheap designs- but still plenty effective.
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For the US guys: EB Falcons weigh 1600kg I can't see a non-blown non-stroked 5.0 pulling 12s when it's hauling 1600kg around!

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Wow. I didn't know they're that heavy. I'm not sure exactly how much 1600kg is, but I'm thinking it'd be between 3500-4000lbs?

If that's the case, I withdraw everything I said. Forget about the mild-build on the 302. Ditch it and get a 351W. There is no replacement for displacement!
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