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Old 12-03-2003, 15:59   #1 (permalink)
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Cleveland vs Windsor

Hey fellas, I was on performance forums and there is this complete knob jockey on there that swears that the Windsor engine has the same 90 degree angle as the clevelands. I tell him he's wrong the Windsors are definitely 60 degrees, and he keeps coming back and telling me that their 90. He says I should check the Ford manuals to prove his point.

I rang up Ford Muscle Parts in Sydney and asked Bob Matic himself and he confirmed that the Windsors are 60 degrees.

Whats the deal? Is this guy insane or am I? Can someone back me up here?
Here is the link to the forum debate. The guy in question has a user name of Hamish.

http://board.performanceforums.com/f...556#post711556
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Re: Cleveland vs Windsor

They are both 90 degree V's.
In fact, the Windsor was originally named the '90 deg V small block'.

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wot he said^^^^^^^^^

ya knob jockey!! lol :p
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They are both 90 degree V's.
In fact, the Windsor was originally named the '90 deg V small block'.

Rick.
Well if it has been named that, what is it physically? Is what Bob Matic saying wrong? He clearly said that the clevelands were much wider in angle than the Windsors. How do you explain that?
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wot he said^^^^^^^^^

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HAR DE HAR HAR.

Where did you get your information from to come to that conclusion phistoj?
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I dunno what Mr Matic was smoking but he is most certainly 100% wrong.

Clevelands are wider because they have a taller deck height.
9.213" as opposed to 8.206".

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Oh I see now, technically you are correct in as far as the block angle is concerned. Maybe mr hamish should have explained himself a little more clearer like you fellas have in describing the deck height differences, and head shapes. That would explain why the motors have different rev capabilities. Deck height obviously has a lot to do with stroke, therfore the smaller the stroke the better it will rev. But doesnt the windsors have bigger bores than the clevelands or are they the same?
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Same 4" bore.

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how do they come to the conclusion of cubic inch capacity then if the bores are the same but the deck heights are different? Physically the 302 cleveland looks way bigger than the 302 windsor!
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Cubes is bore x stroke, which I think are both the same for 302's both windsor and cleveland. The extra deck height just means the cleveland has potential for alot more stroke, like the 351 in the exact same block, 378ci kits etc.
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