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Old 05-16-2005, 07:39   #1 (permalink)
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Crane 2030 or TFS Stage 2

Hey,

Currently got a 2030 in my 5L, just wondering if a TFS Stage 2 cam would make more power? (i know it depends on the combo) Would it be worth the effort?

Also does any one know the power range for the TFS cams i couldn't see it anywhere, the 2030 goes to 5500, is the TFS 2 higher again?

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Old 05-16-2005, 16:30   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Crane 2030 or TFS Stage 2

The TFS 2 is way stronger cam than below Crane cams...Though way less tractable at low rpm...Good stroker cam....

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Characteristics Duration
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TFS-51402000 Good idle, strong midrange power. Aftermarket intake, heads, and headers recommended. Requires modified mass airflow. Compression ratio: 9.0:1 to 10.5:1.

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TFS-51402001 Fair idle, good midrange power. 2,500 to 3,000 rpm stall converter or five-speed recommended. Compression ratio: 9.5:1 to 11.0:1.
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224 intake/
232 exhaust .339"/.352" .542"/.563" 112
TFS-51402002 Rough idle, strong top-end power. 3,000 to 3,500 rpm stall converter with 3.90 to 4.11 gears recommended. Compression ratio: 10.0:1 to 11.5:1.
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Old 05-16-2005, 17:20   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Crane 2030 or TFS Stage 2

Hi Simon,
What model XR8 do you have? AU...
I am looking at making a purchase on a CAM myself for an AU XR8, Series 2.
In the process at the moment of researching gear, also.. is your car a manual or auto? Iv'e heard great things about the Crane Cam 2030 & the 2031! Would you be able to offer some feedback in regards to the impact and increase in torque & kw's it made... as im a little unaware with cams?
Any advice or information would be greattly appreciated.
Also, all the best with your enquiry... dont personally think there would be much of an advantage in upgrading. Did you change your roller rockets?
I think i need 1.7, as my car is curretnly running with the 1.6!
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Old 05-16-2005, 18:03   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Crane 2030 or TFS Stage 2

Yes i think it would make more power. Problem would be Piston to valve clearance. It would suit an engine with better heads and inlet than gt40p's and explorer. I think it would have a basic operating range into the low 6000 area. Second problem is what heads and inlet have you got as they will restrict you. Inlet especially IMO. TFS1 is nice and would make good tractable power over the 2030. I may have gone this way if i had my cam choice again. I'm happy with my cam but you always want more. My problem is the 2031 is as big as i dare go as it needs to be turbo friendly.

Comp Cams have a few nice cams for the 5.0's. they are often overlooked but I'd look here if i didn't put the turbo on.
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Old 05-16-2005, 20:41   #5 (permalink)
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Hi Simon,
What model XR8 do you have? AU...
I am looking at making a purchase on a CAM myself for an AU XR8, Series 2.
In the process at the moment of researching gear, also.. is your car a manual or auto? Iv'e heard great things about the Crane Cam 2030 & the 2031! Would you be able to offer some feedback in regards to the impact and increase in torque & kw's it made... as im a little unaware with cams?
Any advice or information would be greattly appreciated.
Also, all the best with your enquiry... dont personally think there would be much of an advantage in upgrading. Did you change your roller rockets?
I think i need 1.7, as my car is curretnly running with the 1.6!
Cheers,
Carlos
Hey Carlos,

I have an ed xr8, i had my motor rebuilt, and had the 2030 put in it. with ported e7's and stock manifold it made 137rwkw, when i bolted on an edelbrock performer manifold it made 155rwkw, then roller rockers 167. The 2030 is a good cam, nice idle, but i'm getting new heads soon so while i'm there i thought i'd have a look at another cam.

The 2030 cam uses 1.6 rockers so it might be best to stay with them, because its a fairly high lift cam. The only prob i had was piston to valve clearance.

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Old 05-16-2005, 20:45   #6 (permalink)
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Yes i think it would make more power. Problem would be Piston to valve clearance. It would suit an engine with better heads and inlet than gt40p's and explorer. I think it would have a basic operating range into the low 6000 area. Second problem is what heads and inlet have you got as they will restrict you. Inlet especially IMO. TFS1 is nice and would make good tractable power over the 2030. I may have gone this way if i had my cam choice again. I'm happy with my cam but you always want more. My problem is the 2031 is as big as i dare go as it needs to be turbo friendly.

Comp Cams have a few nice cams for the 5.0's. they are often overlooked but I'd look here if i didn't put the turbo on.
I have (soon to be) ported gt40p's, and an edelbrock performer manifold, and the usual 65mm tb and 73mm maf

Piston to valve clearance was a problem with the 2030, so i would think it would be fine since i have different pistons now.

might have a look at the comp cams website...
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Hey,

Currently got a 2030 in my 5L, just wondering if a TFS Stage 2 cam would make more power? (i know it depends on the combo) Would it be worth the effort?

Also does any one know the power range for the TFS cams i couldn't see it anywhere, the 2030 goes to 5500, is the TFS 2 higher again?

Cheers
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I have a similar grind in my car, but i wouldnt consider it for a daily driver. Mine is a 347, not a 302, which tames the cam considerably over the smaller 302
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:11   #8 (permalink)
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I have a similar grind in my car, but i wouldnt consider it for a daily driver. Mine is a 347, not a 302, which tames the cam considerably over the smaller 302
Racer, I understand that you might have the Comp XE274HR cam in your car. If so, I was wondering how it goes and at what RPM does peak power occur (for a 347)?
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Old 05-17-2005, 03:54   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Crane 2030 or TFS Stage 2

IMO the TFS 2 is too big for the 5L, although you will probably pick up some peak power, you will need to rev the crap out of it and you will be loosing a lot down low too. The TFS 1 cam would be a far better option IMO, it has less lift compared with the 2030 but more duration. I think the TFS 1 will make more power throughout most of the rev range compared with the 2030 but it probably won't be huge.
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Racer, I understand that you might have the Comp XE274HR cam in your car. If so, I was wondering how it goes and at what RPM does peak power occur (for a 347)?
Its a very strong cam, but even in a 347, i wouldn't use it as a daily driver. Its just about perfect for a weekend toy that isnt an all out racer. It peaks just under 6,000
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