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Old 09-13-2002, 14:23   #1 (permalink)
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I want a Barra XR8 or GT 4V motor!

Hi.

I would like to get an XR8 or GT motor to put in my Mustang.

But I live in the US, so I cannot simply go down to my Ford dealer
and ask about pricing, part numbers, etc. And these motors
(unlike the new 220kw 3V motor) are being assembled in
Australia by Tickford (which is now part of FPV) on the new low
volume V8 line, so they are not available over here in North
America.

My first question: Do Australian Ford dealers typically sell
Tickford motors and parts ot the general public? If so, do all
dealers sell them, or just certain "Tickford-approved" ones?

My second question: Does anyone know if these motors have
forged pistons and connecting rods? I imagine that the GT motor
will require them, but the XR8 motor, not sure... ?

Third question: Has anyone tried to track down part numbers for
these motors and their parts yet? I would be interested to know
part numbers for the heads, intake, block, pistons, rods, valves,
cams, etc. I think many of these parts are sourced from the US,
so if worse comes to worse I could buy them locally, and
assemble the motor. This may prove cheaper than shipping an
entire motor from Australia. Some parts, like the intake manifold
for example, are sourced from Australia. So I would still have to
have that, and probably some other things, shipped from over
there.

Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Old 09-13-2002, 22:38   #2 (permalink)
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Bit early for this yet as the cars are not in the showrooms for another couple of weeks and then only the turbo six and regular v8. I dont think we will see the xr8 and certainly not the GT till early next year
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Old 09-14-2002, 01:52   #3 (permalink)
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i would be very surprised if you could buy any specific parts like this without having the car wrapped around it. for example, try and get hold of the awsome tickford inlet manifold from the t series.

i tell you it's very refreshing to have our yank friends coming here looking for our good bits. tells me ford australia is doing everything right.
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Old 09-14-2002, 02:23   #4 (permalink)
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There are special tickford dealers but tickford does the engines for other fords which must be capable of part purchaces through ordinary ford dealers.Actual tickford cars like mine must be serviced etc by special dealers of which there are only 3 in Sydney and about 15 in the whole country.My TE50 has an august build date and hence will be one of the last built and i think mine is number 156 so they were very low production and eazy to check up if you own one when buying spares. The new xr8 cars will be much higher production and i bet spares are easy although i dont know about whole motors. The Gt will probably be low production though and a motor is likely to be hard to get although not as low production as the Te series I bet.
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Old 09-14-2002, 11:25   #5 (permalink)
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Thank you both for the replies.

nak302, I had wondered about parts from the current tickford car,
and what their availability was. I had figured the availability of
these parts would be a good indicator of the avaibility of Barra
Tickford parts when they arrive. Unfortunately, you mention the
manifold being hard to get a hold of. This is what I am concerned
about. The situation is probably similar that with to the Mustang
Cobra R here in the states. There were only 300 of them made,
and unless you own one, you cannot get the engine parts. This
is a big why I am looking to Ford Australia and their new 5.4L 4V
for a source of engines and engine parts.

julian, thanks for the information about the tickford dealers. Is
there a list of them online somewhere, with their phone
numbers? I would not be adverse to calling them up from over
across the pond, to see if they can help me out.

Hopefully, as you say, the relatively high volume of the new XR8
will mean that engine parts are more readily available -- even
though these motors will still be built by Tickford on their V8
assembly line. The GT motor, like you say, may be another story.
However, I am convinced that these two motors will share most
of their parts. I figure that the GT will either get a supercharger
(like the upcoming GT 40), or perhaps it will still be N/A, but have
different intake, cams, and valvetrain for more power. My biggest
interest is in:

Block - because it is aluminum, and we have no aluminum 5.4L block in the US yet. Not only is this block more desireable because it weighs about 85lbs less than the iron one, but also because it should have more material around the bores than the iron one, for added strength, and thus should be able to be bored out for more displacement.

Intake Manifold - because we have no 5.4L 4V intake available, except from the Lincoln Navigator SUV and it is not suitable for building a high performance motor. The XR8 lower intake is said to be the same as the one from the Cobra R.

Heads - because they are rumored to be the same ones as the GT 40, which in turn are supposedly similar to those from the Cobra R. These heads will almost surely flow better than any of the other 4V heads availalble in the US. Not to mention that the above intake may only work with these heads.

So if it is not possible to get an entire motor, then I would just
attempt to aquire these parts and build the rest of the motor
using US sourced Ford parts and also some aftermarket parts.
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I looked on the ford website and the list of FTE -Ford Tickford Experiencedealers is no longer as it has been replaced by FPV -Ford Performance Vehicles-blurb (no list of dealers so maybe they all can participate). Im sure I read somewhere the 5.4 block and most other bits on the 260 KW version are to be shared with upcoming US models (mustang) so I think it is just a US made engine which we are getting a bit earlier than you. Of course the engine mounts exhaust and some other ancilliary bits which wont suit you anyway will be Falcon specific. the Gt will probably have Tickford (now Prodrive/FPV)OZ specific/developed bits but its too early for that yet
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Old 09-14-2002, 15:54   #7 (permalink)
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julian thanks for looking for dealer information. I, too, tried to go
to the old tickford sight. They have removed all the pages except
the information about the T-Series. :( What I may try to do is just
call some dealers listed on the regular Ford Australia web site
and see what they say

As for the Mustang: currently no 5.4L is expected for the
current model, nor the new model coming in model year 2005.
Instead there will be a 4.6L 3V in the GT, and a brand new 5L 4V
in the Cobra. What may be possible, is that Ford US could offer
the 5.4L 4V motors and parts in the US through their performance
parts catalog. But this is just speculation, and it could be years
before that ever happened. I want one as soon as they start
building them (or sooner :) ).
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Send an e-mail or PM to Partsguy - he works in Spare Parts at a Ford Dealer.

Edit: To give you an idea on price, a complete Chev LS1 Gen3 (not sure which version) is just under AU$10,000 new. Expect an XR8 or GT motor (if available) to be a bit more than that.
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After reading the Sunday paper, ford have expectations of exporting the V8 for use in the mustangs. So i think you'll be in luck. I'll see if i can find the article and ill post it up.
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After reading the Sunday paper, ford have expectations of exporting the V8 for use in the mustangs. So i think you'll be in luck. I'll see if i can find the article and ill post it up.
I'd love to see that article.

If we do get this motor for the Mustang, I would have to believe
that it will be only in a very limited production Mustang.

Also, it would have to be the GT motor I'd think, not the XR8
motor. Reason is, the current Mustang Cobra (the top model),
which uses a supercharged 4.6L, makes 390hp (291Kw). The
new one is expected to make between 400 and 415 hp (298 and
310 Kw). So the XR8 motor would probably not be powerful
enough to be worthwhile. However, the GT motor might fit the
bill, if it really does put out the rumored 320+ Kw.
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