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Old 04-05-2003, 18:42   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb Plonking a mustang engine for a E-series falcon

Here is a question that I have been milling over in my head…could a Mustang 4.6 DOHC be beneficial in an E-Series Falcon?

I’ve heard through various sources that the DOHC engine leaves the old V8 for dead and it is a good engine to expand on because of its usage in the US.
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It would be beneficial in an E-Series, but from what I've heard, it is too wide, and the modifications required to get it to fit would be too expensive.
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It will fit, the 5.4 fits in the AU/BA bay, and it aint any bigger than the EA bay.
Only problem could be height.

It would be benificial, but bang for your buck you could spend the money instead on the 5.0L or even the 4.0L and you would have a shitload more power.
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Old 04-07-2003, 01:56   #4 (permalink)
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The BA was modified to fit the DOHC engines. It wont fit an ea even with vaseline and a shoehorn.
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The BA was modified to fit the DOHC engines. It wont fit an ea even with vaseline and a shoehorn.
How was the BA engine bay modified, just wider?
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I have seen a 4.6 in an AU , some aftermarket company.Cant remember which though.
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The BA was modified to fit the DOHC engines. It wont fit an ea even with vaseline and a shoehorn.
You are infact wrong
Max Width (Valve cover to Valve cover) of 4.6 DOHC is 30in
Width of my ED bay, (shock tower to shock tower) which I checked 2mins ago, is a rough 31in.

Also the measurement of the 4.6L DOHC is taken at the front of the valve covers which bulge out about an inch each side. So you would have an approx 1.5in clearance each side between valve cover and shock tower, in an EA-AU(and BA!) with the 4.6L DOHC

5.4L DOHC is about 2.5in wider than 4.6L DOHC, which would give you approx 10mm clearance each side between shock tower and valve cover. Whats the clearance the 5.4L in BAs have? 5mm or something?

Sounds like BA bay wasnt widened to me.....

Amazingly, the 460ci is only 27in wide, BOSS 429 30in wide and 427ci Cammer is 32in.
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I suppose what I am trying to get is ideas of different engines for a E-Series falcon...a more sophisticated one than the Windson.

Fore example you can rip the 5L engine out of a Holden and put a better preforming Lexus V8 in to get better grunt.

I thought the Mustang engine would be a good (but expensive) choice.
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I saw brand new 4.6L SVT engines offered with a tremec 5 speed (T5 or the upmarket one? dunno) for just under $11,000 I think.

I'd go after this option for sure, I'll have 3 years to pay the loan off my car (I'm looking at a $15,000 loan) and save for the engine, so this price isn't anything out of reach. I'm sure it'd a better option than spending even more on getting a Windsor fully decked out. But alas, you can't get bugger all info on them over here.

I was told by an FPV guy you'd have bugger all chance getting the Boss 290 into an E series, isn't the 290 just a stroked 4.6l Mustang engine? It may be a short engine, but it's bloody high and fairly wide. The E series bonnet is much lower than a BA, so I'm starting to doubt it.

What advantage does it have over the Windsor? The DOHC can't make that much difference to OHV, I'd imagine the 4.6 would be a lot heavier. Plus there's the cost of an engineer's cert, which isn't needed for a Windsor in EB-EL.

I'm gonna go do a search for some info and take to the NL bay with a tape measure. Hopefully someone can shed some light on this.


[EDIT] NL engine bay width - 800mm (31.5")
length - 760mm (22.95")

dunno bout the depth, buggered if I know what's steering gears and what's engine gear and it's too hot for me to go sticking my head in there right now, but nothing a dry sump can't fix....[/EDIT]
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"I have seen a 4.6 in an AU , some aftermarket company.Cant remember which though."

AEC in Perth has done it, i saw the car on the weekend (it's also for sale

If the 351 windsor was put into a EA, surely a 4.6 might fit - i must say it is quite a flat but wide engine tho compared to the 5.0 windsor.
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