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Old 11-09-2004, 01:07   #1 (permalink)
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I have December MOTOR right here...

Hi guys

I got December MOTOR this morning. And yes, the times posted were correct, the real ones that is. Here they are for the F6 and the GT.

F6

0-10....0.51
0-20....0.99
0-30....1.44
0-40....1.89
0-50....2.35
0-60....2.86
0-70....3.42
0-80....4.33
0-90....4.98
0-100...5.73
400m....14.02

GT

0-10....0.54
0-20....1.06
0-30....1.56
0-40....2.03
0-50....2.54
0-60....3.03
0-70....3.76
0-80....4.34
0-90....5.04
0-100....5.74
400m....13.85


The comments were generally good re the F6 in the article although they did comment on having trouble doing burnouts in it because of the clutch:

"Less happy is the Typhoons twin plate clutch, which is obviously strong and takes up smoothly and predictably but offers sod-all feel in the process. The friction point is hard to judge in Blundstones, even through the metal pedal pads. But there's so much grunt, even at low revs, so stalling the thing isnt really too likely. This was brought home during a photo session, which, in the time honoured MOTOR tradition, required a burnout.

Basicall I ballsed it up; stepping off the clutch with nowhere near enough revs on board. In just about anything else, the thing would have bogged and stalled but the Typhoon's clutch held and the motor hung on grimly, grunted me back from the abyss, built some boost and then flung the tacho needle into the limiter before I could even think about grabbing second."

He he

They basically say its smooth and quiet and are reasonably impressed I think.

Interesting comment when comparing the XR6T:

"Compared with an XR6T, its faster, yes. But perkier? No, not really."

Anyways, as you can see from the times above, it seems that 0-100, the F6 beats the GT across the board although the GT does catch up. It seems that right to the full 400m length, it the GT does reel in the F6 and in fact beat it. I guess the GT was always gonna do that given that the KW difference between the two becomes an issue only towards the higher revs/end of the quarter... and this is where the GT has its strength I guess.

What it means for ME though, is off the traffic lights, I will probably beat a GT in an F6, off the line and to 100kmh. But on the drag strip, perhaps not, as the lack if higher end power and the drop off of torque may be its undoing....

I also wonder about the differences in times between using the correvit and the times at the strip. From what I know there is a few tenths difference in favour of the drags, on account of the car being moving when timing begins, whereas the correvit measures time from the instant the car moves.... So would we be expecting mid to high 13s from the F6 at the drags???

Also I wonder how MOTOR test them? Is it not correct that MOTOR test with a driver AND a passenger and half a tank of fuel? And this is not the case on the strip???

I also wonder about the running in of the F6 - I know that the Ford I6s do take a long time to run in, say 5000km + before it is free revving... and is it correct that the 6s are more prone to a longer run in time than the V8s? So would we expect better times from MOTOR tests in a few months, even when compared to the GT???

Anyways, just my thoughts....

I'm still gonna buy one. It's screaming out for mods IMO!
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Old 11-09-2004, 01:22   #2 (permalink)
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Hi guys

I got December MOTOR this morning. And yes, the times posted were correct, the real ones that is. Here they are for the F6 and the GT.

F6

0-10....0.51
0-20....0.99
0-30....1.44
0-40....1.89
0-50....2.35
0-60....2.86
0-70....3.42
0-80....4.33
0-90....4.98
0-100...5.73
400m....14.02

GT

0-10....0.54
0-20....1.06
0-30....1.56
0-40....2.03
0-50....2.54
0-60....3.03
0-70....3.76
0-80....4.34
0-90....5.04
0-100....5.74
400m....13.85


The comments were generally good re the F6 in the article although they did comment on having trouble doing burnouts in it because of the clutch:

"Less happy is the Typhoons twin plate clutch, which is obviously strong and takes up smoothly and predictably but offers sod-all feel in the process. The friction point is hard to judge in Blundstones, even through the metal pedal pads. But there's so much grunt, even at low revs, so stalling the thing isnt really too likely. This was brought home during a photo session, which, in the time honoured MOTOR tradition, required a burnout.

Basicall I ballsed it up; stepping off the clutch with nowhere near enough revs on board. In just about anything else, the thing would have bogged and stalled but the Typhoon's clutch held and the motor hung on grimly, grunted me back from the abyss, built some boost and then flung the tacho needle into the limiter before I could even think about grabbing second."

He he

They basically say its smooth and quiet and are reasonably impressed I think.

Interesting comment when comparing the XR6T:

"Compared with an XR6T, its faster, yes. But perkier? No, not really."

Anyways, as you can see from the times above, it seems that 0-100, the F6 beats the GT across the board although the GT does catch up. It seems that right to the full 400m length, it the GT does reel in the F6 and in fact beat it. I guess the GT was always gonna do that given that the KW difference between the two becomes an issue only towards the higher revs/end of the quarter... and this is where the GT has its strength I guess.

What it means for ME though, is off the traffic lights, I will probably beat a GT in an F6, off the line and to 100kmh. But on the drag strip, perhaps not, as the lack if higher end power and the drop off of torque may be its undoing....

I also wonder about the differences in times between using the correvit and the times at the strip. From what I know there is a few tenths difference in favour of the drags, on account of the car being moving when timing begins, whereas the correvit measures time from the instant the car moves.... So would we be expecting mid to high 13s from the F6 at the drags???

Also I wonder how MOTOR test them? Is it not correct that MOTOR test with a driver AND a passenger and half a tank of fuel? And this is not the case on the strip???

I also wonder about the running in of the F6 - I know that the Ford I6s do take a long time to run in, say 5000km + before it is free revving... and is it correct that the 6s are more prone to a longer run in time than the V8s? So would we expect better times from MOTOR tests in a few months, even when compared to the GT???

Anyways, just my thoughts....

I'm still gonna buy one. It's screaming out for mods IMO!
What color was the F6 if it was the VIXEN one it had around the 4000 kay mark on it.
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0-100 in 5.7 is still ****en fast. F6 looks awsome, lots nicer than ugly new HSV range. love those mags on it.
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0-100 in 5.7 is still ****en fast. F6 looks awsome, lots nicer than ugly new HSV range. love those mags on it.
Yeah like I said, I'll still live with it when I get one LOL.

And I agree, put it next to the Clubbie especially and it's all class IMO. And yes, agreed re the wheels - love 'em!!!!!
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F6 will be a tweakers delight, few little tweaks and tune it will hammer....Have a look at the XR6T.
Ford could have easly made the F6 quicker than the GT, but were would that leave there GT sales...
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The forces of the universe are in balance. The F6 and the GT have virtually identical times - as they should. The V8 and T6 clans will both be happy and everyone gets what they want - bloody fast world class cars - and Ford don't rob from the GT to give to the F6.

As many have stated: Any car with a 0-100 under 6 seconds is bloody fast. To get top line handling and a comfortable interior like the GT/F6 you have to look at the european cars and for them you don't get change from under 150 grand. Aussie, aussie, aussie!!

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Carnt wait to see what the real world times are on the straight!
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F6 will be a tweakers delight, few little tweaks and tune it will hammer....Have a look at the XR6T.
Ford could have easly made the F6 quicker than the GT, but were would that leave there GT sales...
I agree 100% .. Ford has an obligation to the GT owners and they are treading a very fine line.
As you say a "Tweakers delight" with 550nm Torque and only 270kw the F6 is shackled to please the GT boys but they all know that the F6 is a weapon and there is now way an N/A engine will match it in the long run.
Its all about Torque and something most drivers still have not come to grips with how to drive.
Unfortunately the Torque could best be used with an Auto but not to be at this point in time but as people adapt the the torque you will see the F6 rule for a long time.
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Carnt wait to see what the real world times are on the straight!
For sure! I think that will be the real test.... And one we can compare to other cars times on here.
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