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I think the endless bashing comes from the huge disapointment that all ford fans felt when once again we couldn't wait for the mag to come out so we could finally see that we had the choice to buy a HSV killer only to be let down once again. the only way to find out the real times is for one of our forum F6 drivers to go to the track and do their best and maybe see if they can shed some light one the subject and post their time cards. This is probably the only way to really know whats going on and find out where its the driver or the machine. IS ANYONE WILLING TO HELP US OUT.
I think the endless bashing comes from the huge disapointment that all ford fans felt when once again we couldn't wait for the mag to come out so we could finally see that we had the choice to buy a HSV killer only to be let down once again. the only way to find out the real times is for one of our forum F6 drivers to go to the track and do their best and maybe see if they can shed some light one the subject and post their time cards. This is probably the only way to really know whats going on and find out where its the driver or the machine. IS ANYONE WILLING TO HELP US OUT.
I think the dissapointment also comes from the fact that APS and Nizpro can get REAL power and performance out of the XR6T so cheaply, while FPV charge us over 10 large to make the car SLOWER! What are they doing? The letter "P" in FPV - what does it stand for? Pork?
I think the dissapointment also comes from the fact that APS and Nizpro can get REAL power and performance out of the XR6T so cheaply, while FPV charge us over 10 large to make the car SLOWER! What are they doing? The letter "P" in FPV - what does it stand for? Pork?
I guess it all in the eye of the beholder to some degree, but let’s see…
This $10k+ consists of a better body kit (est.$2k), better suspension (est. $2k), better brakes (est.$3k), bigger wheels/tyres (est.$4k), better interior trim with climate control, premium sound etc (est.$3k) plus not to mention the driving course and you may note I have not mentioned the engine and clutch upgrades. No need to add these up for you.
Yes I am disappointed that the F6 has failed to deliver on performance plus the clutch issues, but value for money is definitely not one of it's weak points over the XR6T. Even if it is not faster, if the budget permits most would take the F6 over the XR6T as a better basis for a performance car IMO.
I guess it all in the eye of the beholder to some degree, but let’s see…
This $10k+ consists of a better body kit (est.$2k), better suspension (est. $2k), better brakes (est.$3k), bigger wheels/tyres (est.$4k), better interior trim with climate control, premium sound etc (est.$3k) plus not to mention the driving course and you may note I have not mentioned the engine and clutch upgrades. No need to add these up for you.
Yes I am disappointed that the F6 has failed to deliver on performance plus the clutch issues, but value for money is definitely not one of it's weak points over the XR6T. Even if it is not faster, if the budget permits most would take the F6 over the XR6T as a better basis for a performance car IMO.
You have hit the nail on the head. I agree that APS can really tweak the XR6 but I waited for the F6 because when I go see the boys with my new girl I have all the extras you mentioned plus, stonger con rods, oil cooler, stonger valve springs etc to handle the APS upgrade. For the record I have done 5,000k on my F6 (build number 44) and I still have a grin from ear to ear. There is nothing that can touch it in real life situations when you have to pass a B double and a couple of riceburners on the open highway. This is the main reason I bought her, a very high speed tourer that handles like the overproced European imports..... and after the APS upgrade well.........
I guess it all in the eye of the beholder to some degree, but let’s see…
This $10k+ consists of a better body kit (est.$2k), better suspension (est. $2k), better brakes (est.$3k), bigger wheels/tyres (est.$4k), better interior trim with climate control, premium sound etc (est.$3k) plus not to mention the driving course and you may note I have not mentioned the engine and clutch upgrades. No need to add these up for you.
Yes I am disappointed that the F6 has failed to deliver on performance plus the clutch issues, but value for money is definitely not one of it's weak points over the XR6T. Even if it is not faster, if the budget permits most would take the F6 over the XR6T as a better basis for a performance car IMO.
Ok, so you get a lot of kit for the money. Some of it may be what you wanted, some not, but you pay for it anyway. My point is, a series 1 XR6T does the quarter in 14.1 seconds, the Typhoon takes 14.6. The Typhoon is certainly a better base for modification, but you HAVE to hot it up just to match the performance of the car its supposed to be better and quicker than!That "P" in FPV, that IS supposed to stand for performance isnt it? I would rather have the better interior as an option than pay extra for a slower car. If I wanted luxury at the cost of performance I could buy a Fairmont. I mean, why bother with premium brakes and suspension on a car that is actually pretty slow? Why a driving course with the Typhoon when the XR6T is more of a performance car? Surely the driving course should be offered with the FASTER car not the slow one? What it comes down to for mine, is that APS and Nizpro have demonstrated what FPR could have and should have done, but failed to. You didnt mention the engine and clutch "upgrades" which is just as well from what I've read so far! Sure doesnt sound like an upgrade to me! (Also $4,000 is a hell of a lot to pay for a set of 18's, remembering that you have theoretically already paid the price of the standard XR6T wheels )
It may sound like I am being very harsh about the Typhoon, but I really had high hopes of buying one- it should have been a very quick car, but it appears that it has failed to live up to the hype, and failed to meet the expectations of a lot of Ford and FPV fans. Frankly I would NEVER own another Holden so it looks like either I stick with what Ive got, or get an XR6T and spend money on it, throwing away my warranty in the process.
You have hit the nail on the head. I agree that APS can really tweak the XR6 but I waited for the F6 because when I go see the boys with my new girl I have all the extras you mentioned plus, stonger con rods, oil cooler, stonger valve springs etc to handle the APS upgrade. For the record I have done 5,000k on my F6 (build number 44) and I still have a grin from ear to ear. There is nothing that can touch it in real life situations when you have to pass a B double and a couple of riceburners on the open highway. This is the main reason I bought her, a very high speed tourer that handles like the overproced European imports..... and after the APS upgrade well.........
Nothing can touch it? Dont go betting your house on that. Plenty of those "rice burners" can do a hell of a lot more than "touch" it. Speaking of touching, Ford won't be touching any warranty claims you have after you go and see APS either. The dissapointing thing is that you simply SHOULDNT HAVE TO take your car to APS. It ought to be quick straight from FPV!
Nothing can touch it? Dont go betting your house on that. Plenty of those "rice burners" can do a hell of a lot more than "touch" it. Speaking of touching, Ford won't be touching any warranty claims you have after you go and see APS either. The dissapointing thing is that you simply SHOULDNT HAVE TO take your car to APS. It ought to be quick straight from FPV!
Well was only speaking from Personal experience .... have not yet found the standard riceburner that can touch her.... if you want to compare mods well thats another thing all together
Ok, so you get a lot of kit for the money. Some of it may be what you wanted, some not, but you pay for it anyway. My point is, a series 1 XR6T does the quarter in 14.1 seconds, the Typhoon takes 14.6. The Typhoon is certainly a better base for modification, but you HAVE to hot it up just to match the performance of the car its supposed to be better and quicker than!.
R33GTR, are you telling me you’re only interested in the F6 over the XR6T for straight line factory speed? For the extra money the fact that F6 looks better, handles better, stops better, rides better, feels better holds no or little value for you then when making your purchasing decision? The F6 isn’t any Fairmont, but it’s damn close to a GT for the money. Both you and I know that the car will do better than a 14.6 anyway. The best time recorded to date is a 14 flat, which means its no faster down the shoot than a XR6T, but that is not my point here.
Many others will value all the other performance upgrades (suspension, brakes, engine internals, larger intercooler, bigger wheels and tyres, 250km/h limiter, gauges, shift sensors etc) in addition to the comfort and aesthetical features the F6 has to offer.
Listen I understand your frustration, we all hear you, but you would be naive in believing that if one had the money to comfortably afford either car, the F6 wouldn't be the best value for money by a long shot.
Incidentally has anyone else noticed the ridiculous high positioning of the clutch pedal in one these things. I peered through the window of one at the local dealership & the pedals caught my eye. It was then that I noticed that the clutch pedal was sitting about an inch higher than the brake & the accelerator! Motor mentions this in their infamous 'Phoon-bashing' article, so it clearly isn't confined to just this car. What's the go? Is this related to the clutch problem they've been having? I know I'd be pretty pissed to shell out for one only to find that the pedals aren't even set evenly, how crap is that!!!
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