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Old 11-04-2004, 15:41   #1 (permalink)
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Torque gets heated
By James Stanford
05 November 2004

THE leaders of the Australian muscle car industry have clashed over the arrival of a Ford turbo blaster.


The head of Ford Performance Vehicles (FPV), David Flint, and boss of Holden Special Vehicles, John Crennan, have spoken out against each other's brands as FPV releases the new F6 Typhoon. The Typhoon is a turbo-charged six-cylinder Falcon, which will be sold alongside the GT Falcon.

Crennan says the arrival of the powerful six-cylinder model will confuse the brand image of FPV, while HSV is a clearly a V8-only brand.

"I consider our branding and our vision and our plan to be very pure. The essence of good marketing is purity, and to a certain extent simplicity, and I look at the Ford side of things and I see something that is more confusing," Crennan says. "Is it Tickford? Is it FTE? Is it FPV? Is it FPR? Is it six-cylinder? Is it eight-cylinder? Is it supercharged?"

FPV has introduced a new slogan, Performance Inc, to incorporate the introduction of a turbo six-cylinder car next to its V8 GT models.

Flint says FPV does not have to stick to building V8 cars. "We are not the GT or V8 car company," Flint says. "We are the pre-eminent performance car company in Australia. That frankly means we are free to do anything we like."

Flint says overall performance is more important than the amount of cylinders.

"The business I am in is to develop performance motoring for whoever wants to be a performance motorists. If it was a four-cylinder, six-cylinder, five-cylinder, I don't frankly care, as long as we have got a performing chassis and drive-train is all that matters," he says.

Flint disagrees with Crennan's comments about the negative impact the six-cylinder Typhoon might have.

"I have a lot of time for John, he is an outstanding manager and a superb marketer. In this instance, though, I think he is not right," Flint says.

"John believes that V8 is the pinnacle of all of it and we disagree."

Flint also attacked the new 6.0-litre HSV GEN IV engine, which has slightly more power and torque than the FPV Boss V8 in the GTs.

"Our V8 is a very hi-tech double overhead camshaft multi-valve engine, to me that is a more technical solution than an old push-rod engine (HSV GEN IV), but that's the way he (John) chooses to go and good luck."

Crennan says consumers have the final say. "All I know is that for every 10 cars we sell, they sell three - and I'll let the numbers do the talking."
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Old 11-04-2004, 16:24   #2 (permalink)
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Ha, little school girl's bitchy at one and other, both share good and bad point's but at the end of the day Crennan's final statement sum's it up.
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Old 11-04-2004, 16:44   #3 (permalink)
 
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I think he's very worried actually, because HSV dont have the ability to enter the 6 arena .

While the high feature V6 is out and about, the investment to bring it up to the F6 mark is far too substantial, with no hope of keeping the end product at a price point of $58k.

If the F6 takes off, HSV have a real problem on their hands. And I think he can see the writing on the wall.
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Old 11-04-2004, 18:13   #4 (permalink)
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HSV did try to get into the 6 market with the XU6, but couldnt cut it, it was a poor attempt with a very minor power upgrade over the normal SC6.

I remember them stating during the lead up to the release of the BA that they werent worried about the power of the new 4.0 until the figures were released and then the XU6 was dropped from the line up.

All those words only add up to someone trying to convince themselves that "this" is where he wants to be.
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HSV did try to get into the 6 market with the XU6, but couldnt cut it, it was a poor attempt with a very minor power upgrade over the normal SC6.

I remember them stating during the lead up to the release of the BA that they werent worried about the power of the new 4.0 until the figures were released and then the XU6 was dropped from the line up.

All those words only add up to someone trying to convince themselves that "this" is where he wants to be.
the XU6. i remember that. the base model falcon had more power than a HSV. hehehe
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Ford have the advantage on the 6 side. As others have said, I think Crennan is a little scared. I wonder if HSV/Holden realised how big a success the XR6T would be. Although I am not too sure on Mr Flints comments RE pushrod engines. I don't have a problem with them and certainly HSV doesn't (kicking the FPV equivalent). It is a good battle this HSV vs FPV stuff.
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Old 11-05-2004, 15:35   #7 (permalink)
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I am glad to see Mr Flints comments regarding FPV seeking a broader market than just V8s. FPV have the advantage with I6 manufacture/development being locally based & the 6 cyl market dominating the V8 scene in total Falcon/ Commode numbers.
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Why would John Crennan make these statements?

Is it because HSV are traditionalists building only one model?
No there are squillions of permutations. Clubsport, Clubsport R8, Marloo, Marloo R8, Senator, Senator Signature, GTO, GTS, GTS Coupe, Coupe4, Avalanche, Grange, XUV.....

Is it because HSV build all their vehicles on the same platform?
No, Marloos are utes, Clubbys GTSs & Senators are Sedans, GTOs, GTS Coupes & Coupe4s are Monaros, Avalanche is a Adventra, Grange is a Statesman, XUV is a Crewman.

Is it because HSV would never build anything but V8s?
No. XU6 was a V6, there have been Astra based 4s and a Jackaroo shoebox.

Is it because the $55k Typhoon appears to piss all over EVERYTHING they make on the holy grail 400m performance test?

Be afraid John Crennan, be very afraid.
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lol is all i can say..

He may be selling us out at 10 to 3 but hes also discounting them up to $15,000!! FPV chuck in leather and expect to sell them... neways.
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I am glad to see Mr Flints comments regarding FPV seeking a broader market than just V8s.

That sort of broad view to do the hotting up of several different engine types will prob keep FPV in front in the long term. Not everyone wants a highly modded v8 ( i do).

John Cretin is just stirring shit. As for sales, well if after 10 years or more of HSV sales, if he wasn't in front of FPV then there'd be a serious problem. Of course they're doing better. Bigger product range + established fan base.
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