The Typhoon Clutch Fix - Page 6 - Ford Forums

Hypnodoc · 04-12-2005, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Headache

If you didn't mention it, we wouldn't have know anyway, hence the need not to post???

Just trying to affirm to everybody that THERE IS A FIX once its in and done then I can elaborate

I can also begin to use some of the abundant "XTREME" new found potential from Ghost at long last

stang65 · 04-12-2005, 19:34

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Originally Posted by Hypnodoc

Hi Stang.
Mate horses for course, I reckon theres more to driving than hurtling down the 400 metre strip, not that I disagree that the quarter mile is definately a benchmark and as I said in the post I think with a few klms on them the Typhoons do loosen up.
As far as the speed limiters go I do disagree. The T will start to surge at 220, whereas the Typhoon will run to 250, until you remove the limiter, to verify this you only have to look at the programmes in the software and up hill down dale my T would begin to surge at 220, the GT gets the same surge at 250 and I've been that speed in both of the cars. Having siad that I do agree that FPV could have put some more grunt into the Typhoon, but I'm guessing the series 2 Typhoon is gonna be a killer

Goodaye Doc,
Good to hear from ya mate won`t be long and at least it will hold together like it should ,I was talking about using the edit to remove the limiter, will it still surge just give it more boost.
At the end of the day the Typhoon will always be a better pakage for modding but this is what people need to figure out as for Tornado, what do you need, the Typhoon stock and the T stock the T is quicker get over it....Every magazine has come to the same conclusion.Modded it will be a different story and i hope it is. I`m not saying your car is crap but reality check is in Ford fashion the T is quicker than the F6 stock.

Xtreme F6 · 04-12-2005, 19:58

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Originally Posted by stang65

Goodaye Doc,
Good to hear from ya mate won`t be long and at least it will hold together like it should ,I was talking about using the edit to remove the limiter, will it still surge just give it more boost.
At the end of the day the Typhoon will always be a better pakage for modding but this is what people need to figure out as for Tornado, what do you need, the Typhoon stock and the T stock the T is quicker get over it....Every magazine has come to the same conclusion.Modded it will be a different story and i hope it is. I`m not saying your car is crap but reality check is in Ford fashion the T is quicker than the F6 stock.

Wanna hear my theory on the typhoons quater times?? ANd i plan on proving this once i get another stock one to do.

They changed gears way to late in the phoon where it had fallen off boost instead of using its torque. Ive dynoed stock xr6 t's and typhoons stock, the phoon has more torque and power everwhere, cept the torque falls off sharp after 4000 rpm. I recon you should short shift it at 4500 and see if the times drop then.

Tornado · 04-12-2005, 22:44

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Originally Posted by stang65

as for Tornado, what do you need, the Typhoon stock and the T stock the T is quicker get over it....Every magazine has come to the same conclusion.Modded it will be a different story and i hope it is. I`m not saying your car is crap but reality check is in Ford fashion the T is quicker than the F6 stock.

Then maybe you need to do some more reading
Amazing way to fix the XR6T's dominance over XR8 and F6

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"I've just read the May Motor and am disgusted to read that rather than being quiker the XR6T is slower ( this particular car anyway) than all other XR6T's tested before. It was a 6-speed manual and ran a 14.81 for the quarter!!!" End quote:

I hope you buy the GTR mate it suits you.

R33GTR · 04-12-2005, 23:52

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Originally Posted by GTP-330

Wanna hear my theory on the typhoons quater times?? ANd i plan on proving this once i get another stock one to do.

They changed gears way to late in the phoon where it had fallen off boost instead of using its torque. Ive dynoed stock xr6 t's and typhoons stock, the phoon has more torque and power everwhere, cept the torque falls off sharp after 4000 rpm. I recon you should short shift it at 4500 and see if the times drop then.

I thought that too GTP-330, but it was raised in a thread here and "The captain" who claims to work for Motor said they had tried all kinds of shift points with little or no improvement.

Hypnodoc · 04-13-2005, 01:32

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Originally Posted by R33GTR

I thought that too GTP-330, but it was raised in a thread here and "The captain" who claims to work for Motor said they had tried all kinds of shift points with little or no improvement.

I always thought that cars were for driving, not reading about

. The captain needs to get hold of one with bigger injectors and an edit (or perhaps FPV need to make them that way), anyway then they would have something to write about. I let the service manager drive mine this morning and he had the pleasure of absolutely devastating one of those horrid 300kw GTS things off the lights and down the freeway on ramp

. I had to laugh as the bloke in the HSV pulled along side, once we settled back to 100, he looked very miffed to say the least.

Xtreme F6 · 04-13-2005, 02:09

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Originally Posted by R33GTR

I thought that too GTP-330, but it was raised in a thread here and "The captain" who claims to work for Motor said they had tried all kinds of shift points with little or no improvement.

Very strange because when i did this in docs car the way the car went was alot better shifiting early

Jabba · 04-13-2005, 02:34

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Originally Posted by GTP-330

Wanna hear my theory on the typhoons quater times?? ANd i plan on proving this once i get another stock one to do.

They changed gears way to late in the phoon where it had fallen off boost instead of using its torque. Ive dynoed stock xr6 t's and typhoons stock, the phoon has more torque and power everwhere, cept the torque falls off sharp after 4000 rpm. I recon you should short shift it at 4500 and see if the times drop then.

BINGO... That is absoluty correct.
If you own a F6 use the torque not the revs

Matt

KNG-40L · 04-13-2005, 02:56

Well shouldnt the torque be constant thru out the rev range well more so thru the midrange cause i guess thats where it should have greater impact? So basically revving it more shouldnt really be a problem for its performance times.

At the end of the day whether gear changing, conditions of the track and how run in the car might be it seems getting into the 13 sec bracket without a hassle seems to be an issue. I dont understand how a 270kw with 550nm doesnt show its true character on the straight line. Im not bagging the F6 i really like the F6 and especially how its a FPV model but just the stock form performance aint too crash hot.

Tornado · 04-13-2005, 03:13

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Originally Posted by GTP-330

Very strange because when i did this in docs car the way the car went was alot better shifiting early

Hi Simon,
I think it’s all a learning Curve and one some people have a bit of trouble getting a Handle on when something new is released.
You and I know that the same car down the same track on the same night with 2 different drivers can produce totally different times & MPH for many reasons.

One thing has come to the attention of many at the moment is the slower times produced by some edited cars even with much greater rwkws.
This is probably a similar product of the inability now to Hook-up and get drive with a lot of torque limiting removed with the edit.

Take your GT-P atm you find it very hard to better your times yet you know its got a heap more grunt but you haven’t been able to use it and until you learn to drive it in this dress it will be slower even with more rwks……A bit like driving in the rain some can hook-up and other just haven’t the finesse to make it stick.

One reason some of the holdens do ok is their inability to lose it off the line with no low down grunt but when it gets the revs up and power (great up top) it has enough speed not to break traction hence far easier for the novice to get good times.

We are talking street cars here with street tires and when a Edited GT is cruising along in second gear @ 70kmh and the throttle is applied to 100% it just sits and smokes… not much good for fast times unless you have a very very good feel of that throttle.

Have you ever noticed the throttle travel distance of the BA?
What about the throttle travel distance of the AUIII Pursuit?
Well it’s about twice the travel in the Pursuit and hence you get much better throttle feel than the BA simply due to the greater travel and the ability to feather it with so much more feel and control.

I expect to see in time, some work on throttle travel to allow for greater feel and being a potentiometer and not a cable makes for a NOT so easy fix but one that would change the whole feel and control of the available torque.

Removing a lot of the torque limiting with edit does give a greater KW output and through a greater RPM range but removes the drivability of the car to some extent for many drivers and hence the lower times.
Time will resolve all these problems as we get accustomed to greater RW torque but I expect a small dip before this happens except for the naturals that seem to be born with that feel…. ………