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How come when HSV's power steering pumps failed (and still do) when they got hot on the track, that no one kicked up this much fuss? Whats the difference?
I think us Ford owners are winging bunch of skirts.
I must say that with all the fords I have owned I have never had any real problems. All just minor issues that have been dealt with quickly and professionly. I could also go through and list a whole bunch of little faults but I am sure everyone could. Both my current cars pull great looks and I am constantly getting the thumbs up and praise from other drivers. They both drive great and are pretty quick. Are we whingers? Maybe, and I think the forum is a good place to vent.
In saying that I am thinking of going european next or even give the other side a go. Will it be any better? Probably not. They are cars afterall and cars generally have their little problems.
Im a very happy owner of an XR6 turbo ute, but believe me, i spent a lot of time doing my homework before i bought it. I waited till 10/04 before i figured that Ford had sorted out the brake shudder issue, and any other teething problems that may happen when any car company brings out the first of the new model. Not that the Phoon and the Tornado are a brand new model, but just something totally new for FPV. Problems will happen, regardless of the manufacturer, especially when the first ones roll off the production line half done.
Im not blaming you guys for wanting to own the first of a revolutionary type of performance car. Im definately not defending FPV, i mean it look at FPR, it has taken an indepentant entity in Stone Brothers Racing to continuously show them the unused potential and ability of the Falcon V8 supercar. If FPR cant get a V8 right, what hope do they have with turbo 6?
FPV have such an awesome new facility and funding capabilities now, but it takes a lot more than a some shiny new spanners to build a new performance car that is saleable to the public.
Hopefully, they will look at the absolute flogging they are getting from the press, the growing amount of unsatisfied customers, and the problems with delivering something to the public half baked, and do something about it not just for you guys with the vehicles already, but the guys like myself that are always interested in upgrading into one of the future models.
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After trying to blame the POS AP clutch faults and lack of real power on the Motor journos, I see the boys at the clown factory have come out of denial. I went into a Brisbane ford dealer today to see about replacing a couple of company cars and got told that the Typhoon and Tornado production has ceased until they get the clutch right and this could mean an AP replacement or a different single plate exchange. If this is the case you can bet that the single plate will be the same POS that is fitted to the GTs which will only really ensure that the lads at the clown factory (FPV) dig a deeper hole for themselves before they go into denial about the rattley 6 speed.
As for resale value of the Typhoon, I think that it will take at least a year for the reputation to come good after the next Motor and Wheels magazines present their opinions, and thats only if FPV get the thing right eventully. Common sense dictates that this will give all the early Typhoons a performance car reputation akin to somewhere between a LADA and the early Camiras. As soon as I get back to WA I will put as much distance between the Grey Ghost and myself as possible (I can feel a tear up coming on). As for FPV, what a fcuking clown show
I phoned FPV today and they mentioned the following;
The issue with the clutch is to do with a "clip" that holds them together (thus far I am not affected, mine still feels and go's fine). There is a temporary fix, a stronger clip, and if you are experiencing the issue now i.e. finding it very hard to change / going into gear, you can go to you’re local ford dealer and have the part changed under warranty. Apparently they will run some ad campaigns later on in the week. I did mention, it would be nice as a F6 owner to have been notified by mail or a simple phone call .
FPV did mention that they are working on an official fix but it will not be out for another 5-6 weeks in which after this, FPV will officially recommence production with the new clip installed. Those of us currently driving around with a F6 will be asked to come in to their local ford dealer and get the "official" replacement (and that includes those that have the temp fix installed).
The press are going to have a field day . But hey who cares, as long as they fix the issue.
I phoned FPV today and they mentioned the following;
The issue with the clutch is to do with a "clip" that holds them together (thus far I am not affected, mine still feels and go's fine). There is a temporary fix, a stronger clip, and if you are experiencing the issue now i.e. finding it very hard to change / going into gear, you can go to you’re local ford dealer and have the part changed under warranty. Apparently they will run some ad campaigns later on in the week. I did mention, it would be nice as a F6 owner to have been notified by mail or a simple phone call .
FPV did mention that they are working on an official fix but it will not be out for another 5-6 weeks in which after this, FPV will officially recommence production with the new clip installed. Those of us currently driving around with a F6 will be asked to come in to their local ford dealer and get the "official" replacement (and that includes those that have the temp fix installed).
The press are going to have a field day . But hey who cares, as long as they fix the issue.
Cheers
The press have already had a field day. How bad can it get for the Typhoon?
Are you saying that FPV have stopped building new Typhoons for 5-6 weeks?
Also after you put the exhaust system on your car was there a big difference in power?
I phoned FPV today and they mentioned the following;
The issue with the clutch is to do with a "clip" that holds them together (thus far I am not affected, mine still feels and go's fine). There is a temporary fix, a stronger clip, and if you are experiencing the issue now i.e. finding it very hard to change / going into gear, you can go to you’re local ford dealer and have the part changed under warranty. Apparently they will run some ad campaigns later on in the week. I did mention, it would be nice as a F6 owner to have been notified by mail or a simple phone call .
FPV did mention that they are working on an official fix but it will not be out for another 5-6 weeks in which after this, FPV will officially recommence production with the new clip installed. Those of us currently driving around with a F6 will be asked to come in to their local ford dealer and get the "official" replacement (and that includes those that have the temp fix installed).
The press are going to have a field day . But hey who cares, as long as they fix the issue.
Cheers
Great news mate, thanks for the info. I have my F6 booked in for a clutch fix Thursday so guess I'll be getting the temp fix. Have it booked in for mods and 280rwkw Friday so hope the temp fix gets me through to the 'official' one
How are the coil-overs on your F6?? How is the ride quality now, given that std spring/shoks are morea grand tourer set up than hard core handling package?? I did a track day yesterday and was very happy with the car, but expect a set of coil-overs would be much better.
I thought I read a post close to christmas where FPV wanted you to contact them regarding your clutch problems. I take it that didn't happen? or worse they couldn't fix it???
Either way not real flash
Mate, all Mr Flint was interested in was making sure he had a good Xmas. I thought why the hell should I ring him and waste more money for more tall stories. The bottom line is that FPV lied to the papers about the journos flat change, they lied about the power of the Dust Storm, and they lied about the whole damn thing. They are sooooo switched on that as of today over here in WA WA land the dealers are still claiming complete ignorance about the whole thing, so hows that for keeping your re-sellers up to speed I have been a blue blood for more years than I care to remember, but I'm gonna cop a 10k tear up this week to get rid of this POS and if I ever buy another ford product it will be many many years away. I don't much care for liars, duckers, or weavers and I'm certainly not going to keep spending my hard earned on products from a company whose left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. Flints words were something like, "Why don't you ring me after Xmas" My question is, if a client spent 300k a year with my company do you think he should have to ring me, or would it be my moral responsibility to ring him. I think they call it customer service. I can tell you one thing Flinty, how ever much I lose on the dust storm, out of principle I will spend triple ensuring my legals make your legals earn their money for a while, but then again I don't suppose you really give a sh!t.
Here is a list of what is STILL WRONG WITH MY DUST STORM 2 months and 3500 klm after delivery.
1. A wheel balance that can't be balanced.
2. A scraped rim still sitting in the boot.
3. A weird metallic knock from the front left hand side (not in the suspension)
4. Subdued (at a cost of $300 dollars for REDLINE) gear chatter in the transmission.
5. The promise of power went out the new exhaust system
FPV, shove it up your clacker
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Great news mate, thanks for the info. I have my F6 booked in for a clutch fix Thursday so guess I'll be getting the temp fix. Have it booked in for mods and 280rwkw Friday so hope the temp fix gets me through to the 'official' one
How are the coil-overs on your F6?? How is the ride quality now, given that std spring/shoks are morea grand tourer set up than hard core handling package?? I did a track day yesterday and was very happy with the car, but expect a set of coil-overs would be much better.
The coil-overs are great!! The Coil-overs well they handle even better, they bring the car up another level on the handling department
You hit the nail on the head "std spring/shocks are more a grand tourer set up than hard core handling package" . The car is much tighter and going around corners all I can say is that I think I will be due for new tyres shortly, as I do not slow down when corners or round-abouts come up. The downside, on bumpy roads it can be a fraction stiff. But I can live with that!
Just can't wait to take it on the track.
I don’t think Ford will be to worried about a few winging individuals but they will be concerned with the damaged done by Motor and wheels magazines of late
maybe they should be more concerned about the damage done TO Motor and Wheels magazines...
maybe they should be more concerned about the damage done TO Motor and Wheels magazines...
In what way?
The way I see it The Motor and wheels have had the advantage of having the last laugh and the latest mag show it even if some of it is hypocritical when compared to the previous issue.
Most of the motoring public will read and believe what you people write and as such Ford and PFV have shot them self in the foot big time by accusing you people of flat shifting and destroying what they said they couldn’t. (The clutch)
I don’t blame either magazine or journalist for the latest editorials on the comparison which would indicate a bitter taste is still left in most if not all of the jurno’s.
What’s that old saying? “Payback’s a B!tch”
Maybe if and when the F6 is ever sorted out maybe Ford and FPV could have you write up an apology from them and make some effort to explain the faults the accusations and the fix regarding the clutch and then maybe with a decent F6 with a decent clutch could be tested and an new report published good or bad but at least without the friction and bad blood that currently exists.
Either way Ford should not have mouthed off and should have taken the faulty vehicles and looked at the Clutch problem which has now come back and bitten them fair and square on the ass.
The way I see it is Ford need to do 3 things to rectify this fiasco and that is:
Publicly apologise to the magazine people and have it published in both magazines.
Rectify the clutch problem 100%.
Finally set the PCM to produce the correct engine output that this vehicle warrants. (285kw)(550nm)
Or the F6 could die a slow death! or is it dead already ???????????
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Maybe if and when the F6 is ever sorted out maybe Ford and FPV could have you write up an apology from them and make some effort to explain the faults the accusations and the fix regarding the clutch and then maybe with a decent F6 with a decent clutch could be tested and an new report published good or bad but at least without the friction and bad blood that currently exists.
Either way Ford should not have mouthed off and should have taken the faulty vehicles and looked at the Clutch problem which has now come back and bitten them fair and square on the ass.
The way I see it is Ford need to do 3 things to rectify this fiasco and that is:
Publicly apologise to the magazine people and have it published in both magazines.
Rectify the clutch problem 100%.
Finally set the PCM to produce the correct engine output that this vehicle warrants. (285kw)(550nm)
Or the F6 could die a slow death! or is it dead already ???????????
Agree with this stuff 100 percent. especially your three fixes.
F6 isn't dead, and doesn't deserve to be. it's a terrific car for a day-to-day driver, with very strong in-gear acceleration, but a fuel delivery and ECU set up that don't favour straight line sprinting.
The sky hasn't fallen in. It's very fixable.
We want to give it a fair go - always try to with any car. when they get it fixed, you can rest assured it will get a fair go in MOTOR.
It's not in the readers' interest for us to hold a grudge and, between us and FPV, we've all moved on anyway. don't forget these magazines are put together a few weeks before you get to them (or they get to you, sorry subscribers - it's been a difficult issue, but we're getting on top of it), so a lot of water can pass under the bridge by the time we hit the newsstands.
Go You Good Thing!! 
. But hey who cares, as long as they fix the issue.
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