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Old 09-06-2002, 15:40   #21 (permalink)
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I agree that it wont take tuners long to figure them. I have no problem with Ford making any mods stand out so the warranty will be voided but hope they hav'nt restricted the engines ability to be modded. The interesting thing to see will be how many tuners can still keep that low end torque even when gaining huge top end.

So does the XR6T have the 220s gearbox and not T3s or is it T3s? Anyone know what XR8 has? Personally in large sedans im an auto man anway but just curious.
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Old 09-06-2002, 19:04   #22 (permalink)
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Intercooler is standard on Turbo XR6.. Have seen it wth my own eyes..
Thank goodness for that. I was beginning to question Ford's thinking when some earlier posts mentioned no intercooler. Apart from the initial cost of the intercooler it literally makes extra power out of thin air for free.
There would be few manufacturers not intercooling their turbo's.
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Old 09-06-2002, 19:12   #23 (permalink)
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The reason for the intercooler is obvious. Heat. This Turbo engine generates a metric arseload(TM Mr Sparkle) of Heat. The amount of heat protection in the engine bay is amazing.
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The reason for the intercooler is obvious. Heat. This Turbo engine generates a metric arseload(TM Mr Sparkle) of Heat. The amount of heat protection in the engine bay is amazing.
The intercooler is not for engine bay heat tho it is to cool the incoming air charge so making the air more dense in the charge and containing more air/oxygen per cubic meter and more power. Same basis as cars lose power as they go further above sea level eg air pressure is lower and air is less dense etc. Intercoolers are put on for power increase rather than engine bay cooling. Not meaning to be getting all techy.
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Old 09-06-2002, 21:05   #25 (permalink)
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and thank god its only 6psi, were not going to have poofy BOV's on falcons annoying everyone, 6psi isnt enough to warrant the use of a bov, and if one is used, will not be capable of producing a loud noise anyhow.

HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!!
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The reason for the intercooler is obvious. Heat. This Turbo engine generates a metric arseload(TM Mr Sparkle) of Heat. The amount of heat protection in the engine bay is amazing.
so why haven't ford put on some bonnet vents or something..ala wrx..but not that bold.
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Not quite people. The real reason an Intercooler is there is to remove the excess heat that is put into the compressed charge. This cannot be avoided, due to two reasons;

The turbochargers adiabatic efficiency. You'll notice on turbo compressor maps how they have comp. efficiency islands, with an eficiency rating next to them. That means, that for every unit of energy consumed by the turbocharger, the number stated by the island will be used to compress air. The rest of the energy is lost, mainly as heat going into the intake charge.

The second reason is that you'll generate heat by compressing air, since youre forcing more air to be inside a particular amount of space..

The intercooler removes much of this heat.. BUT its only effective if the car is going at a ffair amount of speed. Otherwise, the intercooler becomes heat soaked, and is only adding to throttle lag. Thats why water/methanol injection is superior to intercooling IMO
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Yes you are right discokin6 that is why the intercooler is between the turbo and the engine intake as the charge has been heated by the turbo and difference between ambient air temp and heated compressed charge is greatest but it is still fitted for the reason i stated and that is to increase the air density by cooling the charge and increasing power output.
The reason for intercooling is for power increase ,not turbo or engine cooling.
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Thats true BBF. Cooler / denser air has more mols per litre of Oxygen gas compared with warmer air. Cooler air is also less prone to preignition, and motors tend to last a bit longer with an intercooler. Or something else that takes the heat out of the charge.. :)
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Another good point there discokin6 ,preigniton or detonation reduction is another reason for intercooling or water injection etc.

Really I was just trying to point out that cooling of engine parts as such isn't the reason for intercooling without trying to sound too techno.
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