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Old 06-22-2004, 17:39   #1 (permalink)
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cleveland or windsor

Hi all

Forgive my lack of v8 knowledge here . I was always under the assumption here that the 351 motor could either be a cleveland or windsor. The case it seems is that the windsor is the 302 (4.9 litre) motor and the cleveland is the 351 (5.8 litre) motor.

If that is indeed the case any easy ways to tell them apart?

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Re: cleveland or windsor

Nope. You is wrong. The volume of the motor depends on the internals. Windsors came in 289, 302 and 351, and have been stroked to various other sizes. As have clevelands (although only 302 and 351 to start with I think).

The cylinder banks are closer together on a windsor. Clevelands are heavier which leads to an assumption that they are stronger (not sure about that though).

All modern Falcon V8's (EB on until the BA) are Windsors. Most being 302 (5.0 litre), although the T3 TS50 had a stroked engine.

Early Falcon V8's were windsors, and changed to Clevelands when they started making these in Geelong. I am not sure when the change over occured, but XA-XE are all clevelands. I think all the GT's were as well, although the XR's maybe not (as in XR Falcon in the 1960's, not XR8).

If this hasn't confused you enough, I am sure you can find heaps of info at GTFalcon.com and other sites with a search.

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Re: cleveland or windsor

The easiest visual way is to look where the top radiator hose connects to the engine. Top radiator hose into intake manifold = Windsor, into block = Cleveland
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Knew there would be a clever wat of doing it!
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Re: cleveland or windsor

Thanks for the info so far. I'll do a bit of homework on the issue. I'll certainly check out where the themostat sits.
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Re: cleveland or windsor

351 Windsors are also slightly taller than Clevelands.
Windsor around 9.5 inches as to the Cleveland 9.2 inches.
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Re: cleveland or windsor

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Nope. You is wrong. The volume of the motor depends on the internals. Windsors came in 289, 302 and 351, and have been stroked to various other sizes. As have clevelands (although only 302 and 351 to start with I think).

The cylinder banks are closer together on a windsor. Clevelands are heavier which leads to an assumption that they are stronger (not sure about that though).

All modern Falcon V8's (EB on until the BA) are Windsors. Most being 302 (5.0 litre), although the T3 TS50 had a stroked engine.

Early Falcon V8's were windsors, and changed to Clevelands when they started making these in Geelong. I am not sure when the change over occured, but XA-XE are all clevelands. I think all the GT's were as well, although the XR's maybe not (as in XR Falcon in the 1960's, not XR8).

If this hasn't confused you enough, I am sure you can find heaps of info at GTFalcon.com and other sites with a search.

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I think the cleveland started in the phase 2 gt(xw) & went right thru until the xe model.From the eb to au all the v8's were 5l windsors.The T3's (te & ts50) & the pursuit 250 xr8 ute all had the 5.6l stroked windsors.
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windsors u can change the plugs and still have skin left on ur knuckles
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windsors u can change the plugs and still have skin left on ur knuckles
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Re: cleveland or windsor

I read somewhere that the Phase I and IIs were Windsors and they changed to the Cleveland block with the Phase III?

I could have my facts wrong...anyone verify or disprove this?
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