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Old 11-20-2004, 20:54   #1 (permalink)
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Ive been looking at some big gun ford v8's that ford or partners like herrod, hilliers, tickford and so on that have been built right from the early stages when the v8's were re introduced back in the early 90's right up until now. During this time they've had some good power outputs but not always shown on the straight line.

There have been some pretty good concepts and production cars like EL XR8 SEQUENTIAL, AU XR8 XPLOD and the DJR 320 but one car that stands from the pack is the ARROW what makes it interesting is that its 6.4l, 370kw and has a whopping price tag.

Now this is where i come to my point why a car so powerful can only seem to pull a 13.7 on the 400m. BA GT apparently does a 14.2 quarter, Typhoon a 14 flat (still in early stages) these cars pump out some big power outputs but why arent they showing there true potential on the quarter mile is it because of weight,traction,gearing????

I believe the best ford v8 which has good power to weight ratio is the TE50 that is 250kw ,weight in the early 1700kg's range and pulls flat 14's. Gives the BA GT a run, keeps up or even beats the XR6T.

Whats not making the ford v8's tick like they should be, why arent they stepping all over holden like they did in the 70's??. I hope people see where im coming from as i dont hate our v8's as im looking forward to buying my own ford v8 in the not too distant future :).
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Ba xr8 MKI runs 13.8 stock. MKII GT best run so far was a 13.8 (think or was it 13.6).
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Ive been looking at some big gun ford v8's that ford or partners like herrod, hilliers, tickford and so on that have been built right from the early stages when the v8's were re introduced back in the early 90's right up until now. During this time they've had some good power outputs but not always shown on the straight line.

There have been some pretty good concepts and production cars like EL XR8 SEQUENTIAL, AU XR8 XPLOD and the DJR 320 but one car that stands from the pack is the ARROW what makes it interesting is that its 6.4l, 370kw and has a whopping price tag.

Now this is where i come to my point why a car so powerful can only seem to pull a 13.7 on the 400m. BA GT apparently does a 14.2 quarter, Typhoon a 14 flat (still in early stages) these cars pump out some big power outputs but why arent they showing there true potential on the quarter mile is it because of weight,traction,gearing????

I believe the best ford v8 which has good power to weight ratio is the TE50 that is 250kw ,weight in the early 1700kg's range and pulls flat 14's. Gives the BA GT a run, keeps up or even beats the XR6T.

Whats not making the ford v8's tick like they should be, why arent they stepping all over holden like they did in the 70's??. I hope people see where im coming from as i dont hate our v8's as im looking forward to buying my own ford v8 in the not too distant future :).
traction is always a big thing, but i think the Arrow had a pretty bad diff ratio that screwed around with the shifts a fair bit....other than that, i dont really know what the problem was with it. i know Wheels recorded a 0-100 of 5.8, but im increasingly doubting Wheels's figures as they only do 2-3 runs on average..
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The Arrow was a coupe right? Was it a heavy car due to stregthening?
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The Arrow was a coupe right? Was it a heavy car due to stregthening?
Yeah wasnt that heavy though...

here are the specs for it anyways


Autotek/Hillier ARROW FORD

ENGINE MODS: Ford Motorsport block, factory stroker crank (392 cubes), 4130 steel rods, ARP bolts, ARP main studs, forged SRP pistons (9.8:1 compression), alloy Edelbrock Victor Jnr heads, manifold/plenum and throttle body, JP HV oil pump and timing chain, Motorsport hydraulic roller cam, Crane lifters and Gold series rollers, Pacemaker headers, Unichip piggy back computer.

TRANS: Tremec T56 6-speed

DIFF: Ford nine inch, 3.89 Strange gears, lsd, alloy pinion support and carrier, Moser 31 spline billet axles

SUSPENSION: Full Fulcrum road/race system of custom Bilstein shocks, lowered heavy duty springs, sway bars and bushes

BRAKES: Harrop 330mm slotted rotors, four-pot calipers front and rear

WHEELS: 18 x 8.5 and 19 x 10” Speedline Corse rims wrapped in 245/40 and 285/35 Pirelli P-Zero tyres

And the EL SEQUENTIAL was only 215kw at the fly
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Yeah wasnt that heavy though...

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Autotek/Hillier ARROW FORD

ENGINE MODS: Ford Motorsport block, factory stroker crank (392 cubes), 4130 steel rods, ARP bolts, ARP main studs, forged SRP pistons (9.8:1 compression), alloy Edelbrock Victor Jnr heads, manifold/plenum and throttle body, JP HV oil pump and timing chain, Motorsport hydraulic roller cam, Crane lifters and Gold series rollers, Pacemaker headers, Unichip piggy back computer.

TRANS: Tremec T56 6-speed

DIFF: Ford nine inch, 3.89 Strange gears, lsd, alloy pinion support and carrier, Moser 31 spline billet axles

SUSPENSION: Full Fulcrum road/race system of custom Bilstein shocks, lowered heavy duty springs, sway bars and bushes

BRAKES: Harrop 330mm slotted rotors, four-pot calipers front and rear

WHEELS: 18 x 8.5 and 19 x 10” Speedline Corse rims wrapped in 245/40 and 285/35 Pirelli P-Zero tyres
Oh and the EL XR8 SEQUENTIALwas only 215kw at the fly
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Ba xr8 MKI runs 13.8 stock. MKII GT best run so far was a 13.8 (think or was it 13.6).
i think you need to check your figures, Ba xr8 MKII 14.4 stock,
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i think you need to check your figures, Ba xr8 MKII 14.4 stock,
Some members of this forum HAVE actually run 13.8 in bog stock MKI xr8's. One member has gone 13.6 with just a CAI.
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i think you need to check your figures, Ba xr8 MKII 14.4 stock,

Im pretty sure that time was done by motor when the engine probably only had a couple of hundred k's on the clock, they losen up after time...
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In defense of the Arrow it was supposed to be running 4.11 gears when the acceleration tests were run. With 19" street radial rear tyres, a manual box and mondo torque that does not make for clean launches. The terminal velocity would be a good indicator of the car's potential times but I don't have the Wheels issue handy to quote it.
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