donuts2001 said:
Exactly! Thats why I see Bush a greater threat to the world then any of these 3rd World dictators. Saddam hasn't tried taking a nation over since 1991. Hitler used the excuse of self-defence for taking over Poland, how is Bush doing any different? You can't invade a nation that hasn't threated you on the excuse of self defence... it's just a bullsh*t excuse that ANY nation could use.
I guess we just sit back and let Iraq continue. Continue to let that regime kill its own people? I guess that is alright when it is in another country and it is not in your back yard. I guess that is allright when it is not you or your family that are the ones suffering and being tortured. But, I forget you dont have any freedoms and the dictators of Australia also pull this on you and you have no onther views on this since the state controlled media tells you that what is against them is wrong and standing up for yourself will result in death? No wait that is Saddam and what he is doing in Iraq. Damn if I get the two countries mixed up.
Your "self defence" BS. Yea BS. Ok Hitler attacked, we can also start using WW2 history facts. Was it not also Hitler that was killing millions of his own residence called ethnic Cleansing. Didnt the world take a blind eye to this as well. Not wanting to get in the middle of politcal affairs of another country? Now lets speed up the world to current day. Lets take a look at what Saddam is doing? 1988 Sadam killed thousands of Kurds....why? Simply put his clan does not like the Kurds and feels that they are a scurge of the Iraqi people. Now this sounds all too familiar to what Hitler did to the Jews, the Pol's and every other country that had a non blonde haired blue eyed full arian blooded resident. Lets Take a look at 1991 after the fact that the Iraqis were pushed back out of quwait. Saddam after the US removed it troops and instated the no fly zones Saddam was upset. Why? Not only was he ejected out of the Kuwait he also had the Sheits to take care of. Seems that another Klan that did not like the power of the current klan in office rose up when the Coalition troops entered Iraq...thinking that they would march on Bahgdad, but di dnot due to the UN resolutions forbiding a march on Bahgdad. Now Saddam kills thousands of Sheits in southern Iraq. Why because they had an opinion. The World took a blind eye to jst these two little facts such as the world took a blind eye to the acts of Hitler.
But I guess that it would take Iraq to attack Australia or the US to prompt a US or even an Australian backed attack on them. How about some food for thought? Why dont you and your bleeding heart liberals go and live with the Saddam Regime and live in the conditions that are set forth there? Doubt you would. Doubt that you sitting behind your monitor in your cushy chair in your Air conditioned room with your Latte by your side with the Satelite TV going in the other room announcing the attrocities that you are wanting to not listen to, would want to go and live the means and life of an Iraqi, especially under that regime.
Hrmmm simple food for thought. Doubt you would and doubt you could. But you sure as hell can sit there and say how it is ok for the 10 million Iraqi's to have to put up with that, to have to live in fear of being killed if they want to have a satelite TV. Live in fear if you fart in the street you can be killed. Live in fear that you look the wrong way at a passing car that may be an Iraqi officials car you may not live to see your family. I guess that since you dont and wont live there that you do not have to deal with it and you can tell others that are living there that they have to.
Your comments about 'You can't invade a nation that hasn't threated you on the excuse of self defence... it's just a bullsh*t excuse that ANY nation could use'
Look at your statement. Take a hard look at it. Lets see. All wars in the past have started this way. I guess that we can not do anything but sit back and watch the world rotate?
Pearl harbor - Japan Bombs the US. Did the US make a threat against the Japanese? None. But they brought the Pacific war to the US.
Kosovo - Internal strugles of religious groups that were far from a threat to one another. We are talking religious groups here. Just because they dont like how the other prays we have war.
I guess we should all go outside and hold hands? there are differences in the world. War is not started because one country is a threat to another. far from it. yes that is some of the excuses. As well as the excuse that there is religious oppressions and many other things. But stating that the US can not step up for Human rights and free the Iraqi's from an oppressing dictator is laughable. Next you will say that it is imperialism just like what the Brits did in their quest for world domination. Please. When you can make a valid point of your points it would be interesting to read, until then I have to laugh at your attempts at what you are doing.
donuts2001 said:
The USA also supported Saddam in the 1980's when they were fighting against Iran even though they were USING chemical weapons against them they turned a blind eye because they were on their side. People should learn some history before passing judgement on which side is right and wrong, not just the snippets the media give you.
Shame on saddam and shame on the USA for supporting him
I never stated that the US never supported Saddam. The US has supported many regimes and many countries to avoid the wonderful world of Communism. Remember that threat, ohh wait that was disbanded back in the Reagan era. So we dont have to worry about that. What you failed to look at as I stated before there are other countries that have and continue to support Iraq even after the US stopped. Did you fail to Read that? Lets see....
France -- War planes, Nuclear plant plans, Uranium that is 93% enriched.
Germany -- Chemical and Biological means and the information on making them into weaponry
Russia -- Weapons from Guns to Planes to anti tank weapons to AAA
North Korea -- Missles, plans on Missles and missle trucks. Not short range but long range.
China -- More missle technology.
What was this in exchange for? Well most of it went under the Food for oil after 1991. The remainder was pre Gulf war and was purchased with cheap oil. I wonder why these countries are not wanting to have a war? Hrmm could it be that they are supporting Iraq in one way or another with the weaponry and do not want to be found out...even though most of the world already knows?
Yes the US did turn a blind Eye. Was that a fault, could be. Was that terible? Yes it was, but that was also supported byt the Australian and the rest of the UN except for the Easter Block and Russia. The World turned a blind eye to that and guess what the US is not the only guilty party in that. But since they are the only super power I guess that you have to put the blaim on someone ehh?
I think that you should heed your own advise and look further than what your past experiences of media and the current ones. obviously you are missing the greater picture and obviously you do not seem to care. Is that my fault? No. Maybe you should avoid watching state run TV and see what the real world is doing. Wait you are in Australia and not Iraq. I keep getting the two mixed up with the way you are talking.