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Old 08-17-2003, 01:46   #1 (permalink)
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Question EL Trans!

Sup ppl, cause iv only just bought the car im still not to familiar with it and the things its doing may be how its supposed to be, but i doubt it.

The car is a 98 EL Fairmont, and when changing gears i can feel that it sometimes pulls longer before its supposed to change, and it kinda feels like it jumps but it only happens on a rare occasion,thats when driving normally, but if your giving it a lil more than normal you can really feel it lag before changing..And when your slowing down and just about to come to a stop you can feel it clunk and kick down the gear..Maybe this is normal but i dun rekon it is, it was way worse before, i gave it back under warranty to get fixed, the dealer tells me he put in a Reconditioned gearbox, but i rekon thats BULL..

Tell me what you think guys maybe im just expecting to much from it, maybe im expecting it to be like my old mans car smooth as anything. [B]
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Re: EL Trans!

I don't know what's wrong with your transmission, but I have a 97 EL falcon and the trans is very smooth, so I'd say that the dealer is bullsh!tting you and there is definately a problem.
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Yeah thats exacly what i think, the dealer for sure is bulls***ing, he is in for the ride of his life, LoL, im gonna harras him to im fully satisfied. I might as well use the 1 year warranty to its full potential :
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Re: EL Trans!

check the usual fluid levels, if its full, make sure its not black, if its black, get the fluid flushed and refilled.
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hey,
now that you mention this my EF falcon does this on every occasion whne changing from 2 into 3..
its like the car is pulling longer than it should and clunks into the next gear.. but when flogging it it changes normal.
also when comming to a stop it clunks into 1st... hmm i think ill have to check my fluids tomorra...
keep me posted on how you go with your tranny
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Re: EL Trans!

Well its funny after i posted the thread it stopped doing it all together, but the problem has come back, im taking it in back to the dealer this week and they have agreed to put a new trans in it (after i kinda told them ill take the matter firther if it isnt fixed after the 3rd time) but ill keep ya posted on what happens..i bet they will fuk the car up more now somehow after all this
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Old 09-04-2003, 01:09   #7 (permalink)
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Repeat after me....

Fresh FLuid

S5 Solenoid

Fresh Fluid

S5 Solenoid.

Seriously - most BTR sloppy shifting trans problems come back down to these two.

Can we do an FAQ on this one?

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hmm...
so you think a simple full flush and s5 solinoid ehh... sounds like a goer...
but the only thing is .. how do i change the s5 solinoid?? im all kewl about an il flush.. anyone got any idea??
cheers?? and costs..
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I can't guarantee that this will fix it but a great deal of problems come down to these two things. There are other common faults such as some nylon check balls in the valve body that melt and failure of an aluminium clutch hub. But if the box has only covered between 100,000 and 200,000km without serious abuse it will more than likely be fluid and / or solenoid.

If you read the EL manual it says that these boxes are sealed for life and dont require a fluid change unless they tow. So chances are if it has been hanbook serviced all it's life it has never had a fluid change. Mine resembled black treacle when I did it by my car tows a hefty ski boat during the summer so it is fairly well abused. If you get a trans service they will drop the 4 litres in the pan and change the filter, leaving 12 odd litres still in the torque convertor and lines. You can do a full flush yourself by dropping the cooler supply line into a bucket and pour fresh fluid into the trans filler while running at idle to use the trans pump to transfer the fluid. There have been a couple of detailed threads written before by me, gregaust and somone else I cant remember. Or you can take it to a good trans specialist and have them do it for not much more than the cost of the fluid.

The S5 solenoid controls or modulates the line pressure during shifts. It is prone to overheating and failure where it is slow to react to it's input voltage. Swapping this often resolves 1-2 and 2-3 shift flaring. When you drop the pan to do the filter you will see all the solenoids marked quite clearly and it is just a matter of swapping it out. For warranty sake I had mine done by a shop. Dont try and get it from Ford though - they quoted me $695 for the solenoid. I understand that $200 or so is the real going price from trans shops.

Like I said - I cant guarantee it but it has resolved the issue for a lot of people and is a known common fault.

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Old 09-21-2003, 08:00   #10 (permalink)
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Re: EL Trans!

Well, i won my battle, iv no got a brand new gearbox in my EL put in by Ford and paid by the Dealer..But ford mentioned something to me about some sensor (tpr i think or tps) that is causing a thump when ur just about to come to a full stop. I was in a rush and didnt get a chnace to ask him about it. He rekons its faulty and the computer causes that slight play in it...Dose anyone know a bit more about this computer sensor??
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