Well my new TE50 is run in and man the torque is nice. Gearing is a bit wierd though as 4th is good for only 190kph at redline whereas 5th is geared for 300!kph at redline. Hence it is unlikley to get anywhere near peak power at top speed.Had my old 2001 TE50(220kw) off the 240KPH clock at about 245 without even trying hard once so be interested to see what the new one does.
Is this the same box as in the Bara v8s.It has a horrible (thrust bearing?) knocking at idle with the clutch in as did the demo i test drove.
Well my new TE50 is run in and man the torque is nice. Gearing is a bit wierd though as 4th is good for only 190kph at redline whereas 5th is geared for 300!kph at redline. Hence it is unlikley to get anywhere near peak power at top speed.Had my old 2001 TE50(220kw) off the 240KPH clock at about 245 without even trying hard once so be interested to see what the new one does.
Is this the same box as in the Bara v8s.It has a horrible (thrust bearing?) knocking at idle with the clutch in as did the demo i test drove.
Yeah julian - it is a six speed box but they lost fifth gear somewhere and didn't put it in. Shitty isn't it? I hate the way you fall in a heap as soon as you drop it in fifth. And it IS the same box and I believe same ratios in the new V8s so it is going to be the only let down in the BA GT that I can see.
I thought mine had a thrust noise too when I took delivery of the vehicle - so did my servicing dealer who replaced it, but the noise stayed. Tickfords (they were then) said it's the clutch - so that was replaced too with a new "improved" version, which I waited over four months to get. Noise still there - it is a gear roll-over noise and I believe it is caused by having incorrect type of oil in the box - it is not the oil Tremec normally recommend I've been told. Anyhow, the whole gearbox has now been replaced but guess what? Noise is same in the new one. So we are having serious discussions with Ford over next step - car has done 15000 km and I reckon at this rate I will probably use up to another 6 gearboxes before warranty runs out.
The car I test drove didn't have the noise but apparently a lot do.
Good luck mate - just keep complaining long and hard!
On the auto it should do about 195 in third but fourth will go to around 245kmh. Unfortunately the way the car is geared for acceleration it seems to run out of breath up top and just won't push towards what the car is geared for in top.
On the auto it comes down to tail shaft revolutions that dictate when a particular gear can be selected.
The SS is much better off in that even though the final drive is taller, it will hold about 235 in third gear (auto) and go a bit harder in top.
On the auto it should do about 195 in third but fourth will go to around 245kmh. Unfortunately the way the car is geared for acceleration it seems to run out of breath up top and just won't push towards what the car is geared for in top.
On the auto it comes down to tail shaft revolutions that dictate when a particular gear can be selected.
The SS is much better off in that even though the final drive is taller, it will hold about 235 in third gear (auto) and go a bit harder in top.
Thanks for the info guys. According to rusellw maybe we should just live with it. T3man what car do you have?The noise goes away when you depress the clutch in neutral doesnt it? Also goes your box whine badly in first and second till you get above about 40-50kph?
ps some shithead just put a key scratch 5 inches long on my rear door onto the rear quarter panel
T3 man, I was under the misunderstanding that the thread was about weird gearing for the Falcon. Now I would take this as both auto and manual, as they are both strangely geared.
I believe a forum is for all registered people to make a constructive comment - obviously this is not the case and is operated under the 'old chums act'.
My apologies again for not distinguishing between manual and auto!
julian> Mine's a TE50 as well. Yes, it goes away when clutch pedal is depressed. No it is OK in first. My main concern is backlash from within the box which is really clunky in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears. I could live with the gear rollover noise if it wasn't as bad as it is - some are worse than others in this respect and mine is a crook one.
plonky> 's OK mate - I was a bit hasty there as I knew exactly what julian was on about in specific terms while you probably did not. I certainly wasn't invoking the "old chums act" against you though.
However, on the auto, I don't really think the gearing is all that bad although the diff ratios are just a tad high (ie high speed/low numerical value). The T5 manual also has good gear ratio selection - although the ratios do vary between models they seem to suit the application OK.
my car has the bearing noise at neutral+clutch out, i think the input shaft bearing is stuffed, (T5 gearbox) i used to have a different EB (hence: RIP 036BOA) and it made no noise except for a slight whine under hard acceleration.
i think the T5 has pretty good ratios, especially when combined with the 3:45 diff in the XRs, they are well spaced.
i havent driven a late model manual falcon but the VT-X commo 6 speed is atrocious, 6th is geared for about 450km/h at redline...
Thanks T3man I always change the gearbox oil early so what do you reccomend.The owners manual is so pathetic I cant even see what ford reccomends. Also are you aware of any eazy power ups like removing the final muffler (I know it is attached to about a meter of pipe for each outlet but it would seem simple to cut it in front of the muffler and weld 2x18" pipe back on. The system is the same as my old 220KW so presumably it would benefit from a little less backpressure.Have you heard of its responsiveness to a chip and if so which one?
julian> Castrol Transmax Z is apparently the one Tremec recommend to use - I'll be picking my car up tomorrow and will see how much improvement there is (or isn't) over the original box.
I've thought about that rear muffler but haven't done anything about it yet as I don't want to do anything at all to the vehicle that may compromise my position in relation to my gearbox problem - if the situation degenerates to a legal battle I want to be absolutely 100% in the right - no possible questions put on my integrity or use of the vehicle. Same with chip.
Aw mate, don't start me - just can't keep the bloody thing off the ground - I live in the bush a little ways and the ground is just too close. I knew it was going to be a problem before I even bought the car but hey, couldn't resist it! I already have Forte front and rear bumpers painted up and ready to put on - just have to get the time to strip the T-Series ones off and I'll store them away in the garage for posterity heheheh.
Sorry, I better not mention my dealer at the moment as Ford and I could be talking via our damn lawyers before long.....
Funny, I was a service manager at Cities Crown Street many, many moons ago.... used to work for the Polites family!!!
Wow A T3 with forte bumpers. Why not bumpers off the old series 2 TE50. I didnt scrape them or even an Xr8(rear).There are lots of non genuine ones too.Wont the Forte ones look a little wierd. Are you taking the side skirts off?Can you post a pic when its done.You will surprise a few unwary holdens in that disguise.
By the way do you know why towing is forbiden in our manual. Is it just the skirts? At least you wil probably be able to fit a towbar now
Yep, she'll definitely be a sleeper heheheh. Especially when I fit the TJM nudge bar and a tow bar on the back ... a bushie's T3.
I'll post a pic when she's done - couple of months possibly as I'm working on a mod to the headlights as well and I want to do the whole job in one go.
Towing is now allowed - Ford service bulletin has been issued, but with a manual you are limited to 500kg. Cities should have the info for you.
BTW - took delivery of my car after new gearbox ... for 5 seconds!
It's still there as the new box was worsre than the original - back to the drawing board!
When will they learn and do something to rectify the box during mfg.How many mustangs must have this problem. Let me know when its fixed and then ill get mine done.What do you mean manuals are limited to 500KG. How could autos tow more they dont weigh that much more.
It's always been that way with Ford - they stipulate that to protect their warranty on clutches - I don't think they really care what you tow but the real problem would arise if you had an accident while towing over that ridiculously low limit as I'm sure your insurance co. would be out the back door quick smart.
If/when mine gets fixed I'll let you know for sure - and everyone else here who has a TR3650.
Ford have low tow limits on manuals historically as they can't trust customers to not tow in fifth.Torque overload in fifth destroys T5's in particular and harms O/D manuals in general.The tr3650 is not known to have this problem in base US spec.Must be a local problem.
Well, got my car back yesterday - over three weeks it was in at Gregorys Motors for this gearbox problem. Gear roll-over noise at idle and while driving and extreme backlash in the box in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears. Funny, it is "sweet as" in 1st and 5th.
An engineer from Tickfords came and drove the vehicle. A new clutch was put in - this was the Tickford engineer's answer to the roll-over noise. We waited four months for the clutch to arrive. When they fitted it there was no difference.
A new spacer was put on the reverse idler shaft - Tickford says some were put on the wrong side of the gear in manufacture! So the new one was put on the correct side - made it worse!
So Gregorys ring Tickford again - they say OK put in a new gearbox - waited almost a week for the box to turn up. When fitted the gear roll-over noise was heaps worse than ever and the shift mechanism was stiff and baulking - however it had no backlash in any gear.
Gregorys ring Tickford - a different engineer comes on line and he says "standard operational noise, the customer has to accept it". Gregorys ring me, I blast them, they apologise and give me the phone number for Ford Customer Service.
So I ring FCS and explain the history and the problem - three days later I get the call back - Tickford tell us it is standard operational noise and we can't do anything more for you.
I request my original box be put back in the car because, as bad as it is, it is still streets ahead of the new one. Gregorys say we have to get approval from Ford to do that. SAY WHAT?! When you replace a part in a car that is worse than the part you take out you aren't allowed to put the original back?
So it's down to the Dealer Principal, Trevor, and he takes the car for a drive - agrees that it is unacceptable and rings Ford and tells them so. They finally agree to give me my original box back.
I request that before it is put back that it be checked for internal clearances as I believe that is where the backlash is arising - second gearbox didn't have it - Ford guy tells me if I want it stripped and rebuilt I have to pay. I agree to pay if they find nothing wrong but otherwise it should be their responsibility. He agrees.
Gregorys wait three days for spec sheet to come so they can measure to box - unable to supply! SAY WHAT? Ford are selling a vehicle that they cannot service?
So I ask "How can a manufacturer sell a product for which they themselves don't know how to determine whether that product has a fault or not?" I put this question to my solicitor and his response was that Ford are in violation of the consumer protection laws in every state of Australia.
So the upshot is Ford tell me they couldn't find anything wrong in the box and I have to pay $450 to get my car back. Well DUH, how are you going to find anything wrong if you don't know the specs? After another day of toing and froing, Trevor talks them into sharing the cost of doing this with Gregorys so no cost to me.
So after more than three weeks, I have my car back exactly the same as it was - WOW what an achievement by Ford!
Trevor and the service guys at Gregorys are as frustrated as I am. They have been doing their absolute best and Ford are stonewalling on the problem.
Now I will have to seek independent engineers advice and report before starting legal action.
BTW This is the same Tremec TR3650 they will be using behind all BA V8s - all I can say is there is going to be a huge queue outside Ford service departments!
Im thinking I should have kept the 220KW 2001 TE50 as it didnt have any problems,reved right out nicely,didnt ground skirts and had the much nicer fairmont interior/AC
Im thinking I should have kept the 220KW 2001 TE50 as it didnt have any problems,reved right out nicely,didnt ground skirts and had the much nicer fairmont interior/AC
Yes, I drove one and it was everyting I expected - then ordered the T3 expecting no less - HA! The T3 is not nearly as good in some ways as you mentioned, but does go harder and, after all, that was primarily what I was after.
I am generally happy with the vehicle - I knew before buying it that the skirts would be a problem where I live. I also expected to have to replace the shocks down the track - this is std. fare with most new cars. But I did not ever dream of getting a gearbox from hell!!!
What have you had yours up to speed wise. My old one exceeded the speedo by a little (245 indicated on the one occasion when i tried with possibly more on a longer straight) and I havent had a good clear run yet to try the new one. i approached my favorite straight at 200 in 4th a couple of days ago but there was traffic in the inside lane when i got a clear view of the straight and i dont like passing people at great speed differentials so just selected fifth and buttoned off.
Shhh... is plonky about ... i've seen 230 and there was plenty left ... they've been tested at 239 in manual.
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