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EA90_S · 12-04-2003, 02:57

Hello guys iam consdiring respraying my escort myself due to money issues. right now on the car the boot is sprayed in primer from a aerosol can. when i repsray it using my dads compressor thingy ill be usin acrlic, would i have to sand off that primer(aerosol can) on the boot or can i spray the top coat on to it??? coz i dont want paint lifting off or stuff like that.

Around how much would paint cost in tins???? where would i buy decent paint thats cheap from?? and what does the thinners do to the paint do u have to add it in.
Oh what does blockin the paint mean thats one part that i dont get??
Iam spraying her Poler white her orignal color and would i need a clear coat on it or would it be ok just color. oh and how would i get at sprayin the Roof.
btw what undercoats can i put to make the paint more durable and less likey to chip qickly and the roof not fading??

RaceCraft · 12-04-2003, 04:29

... it might be enamel undercoat.. best to take it off and start afresh
... You will need spray putty, primer and top coat..2ltrs of each would be heaps
... Thinners does just what it's name says.. thins the paint so it goes on nice a freely... You add it to the paint so it is nice and runny but add less for each coat.. Start with a really light coat (dust coat) then apply a little more and then a fininsh coat that is quite heavy
... Blockin the paint means you wrap the sandpaper in a block and sand it using that instead of just your hands.. THe block gives you a nice flat fininsh without any finger pressure marks.. Only do the extreme curves by hand
Blockin can also refer to removing any grit and orange peel in the paint once your all fininshed
... Acrylic doesn't need a clear coat but if you want some depth and a little more durability and your budget can stretch it can't hurt
... Start with the roof first, then the bonnet and boot.. Stand on a tin or set up a little ledge you can walk on if you can reach the middle.. You don't want to drag the airline over freshly paint guards
... Its not so much the undercoats that cause the chips and paint lifting but the prep you do before you put the paint on... Use Prepsol to remove all wax and grease a few times before you even prime the car

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EA90_S · 12-04-2003, 05:38

oh the undecoat isnt enamel it is acryicl that you buy in a can. i was just wonderi if i paint on it would it have any affect. were would i buy such paints that you said that are decent but cheap and acrylic. and how much cost. do u need etch primer coz in this book i have it says to etch primer first. Could i zinc coat the metel before i put spray putty on it or will there be a problem. and if i did put etch primer then how can i put zinc??

XR8 Lamah · 12-04-2003, 15:48

If i understand it correctly, Bass Crazy resprayed a gemmy recently (Bass Crazy's Better Half!), and if he did it, he did an amazing job. Hemight have some good pointers for you as well . . .

cogo_81 · 12-04-2003, 23:00

Etch primmer only needs to be sprayed over bare metal and no you cant use zinc spray as an etch primmer.

Anything that you have undercoated will need to be rubbed down with wet and dry sandpaper, you should also block down your undercoat because that will get rid off any rippels

EA90_S · 12-04-2003, 23:31

is etch primer really needed if iam spraying the whole car. coz i wanna zinc coat it????? i want some kind of paint that can rust proof the car?? is there a paint that can etch and has zinc in it to?? and i want the paint to be durable. i thought etch primer was for metels that paint cant stick to properly like alminuim etc

xdc351 · 12-04-2003, 23:46

Some out of a can primers react with real paint thinnned down from a spray gun.

I found this out the hard way a few weeks ago when respraying a numberplate surround for my XD.

I personally don't think spray putty is nessesary. Just leave as much of the original paint on as you can and put a good couple if coats of undercoat on. Do all the fine filling/scratch removal before you put undercoat on and try as hard as you possibly can not to cut through the undercoat, doubley if there is only bare metal under it.

Once the undercoat has dried do 2 things:
1. Go over the entire car and fine fill any pin holes, etc before you start sanding.
2. Get some really, really cheap black paint and spray a really fine coat over the fresh undercoat. This is called a guide coat if you not familiar with the concept, it allows you to see where you have already sanded the undercoat so you won't be sanding the same area too much.

With the top coat make sure you spend at least half a day making sure there is no pin holes/unsanded areas still on the car, your equipment is clean, and most importantly, the area your spraying in is absoloutly 100% clean. Even the smallest of crap settling in the paint will make it look crap. I have seen some fantastic backyard jobs in the past few years and the difference between the good ones and the dodgy ones are only a little more time and effort spent preparing the car and the spray area.

Last but not least practice your spray skills on something other than your car!
The way to spray with a gun is to keep the spray nossle at the same distance from the car at all times. When your spraying a panel you need to move your arm/legs/back but only move you wrist as a pivot point. Too many backyard painters move their wrists too much and end up with horribly uneven coats.

Practice on an old panel with crap paint before hand and keep going untill you can keep the nossle at the exact same distance wether it be pointing up, down, left to right, a quick blast under the door from underneath, etc as the only way to do it right is practice!

Well I hope all this helps, sorry for the long post!

Cheers,

xdc

cogo_81 · 12-05-2003, 00:00

Most of the time rust comes from the underneath of the panel so spraying the zinc on the outside isnt really going to do anything, If you want to rust proof your car it will have to be stripped (big job) all the seams cleaned and rust converter brushed on, drill holes in your sills and spray some fish oil in.

Ethc primmer is used on bare metal, we dont use it work very much but if we do a bare metal respray we use etch primmer and then undercoat over that.

EA90_S · 12-05-2003, 02:50

Whats the benefits of etch primer?? can u get acriylic primers that have etch primer in them already and what is the best paint brand to use that is cheap and has a good primer. can i use the zinc coat on the insides of the panels then?? iam using this BOG called rage that can be put on top of paint so were ever i need to put bog ill zinc coat the metel to stop the metel from rustiin behind the BOG.

EA90_S · 12-05-2003, 03:05

oh i need a paint job that will last a long time i dont want any rust appering on the outside or inside.
So what u are saying is if i apply etch primer and undercoat properly the car shouldnt rust on the outside yer??? coz my mate got his gemini sprayed years ago and now its all rusting up and bubbles in the paint.