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Old 12-22-2004, 22:57   #1 (permalink)
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Right!!! Enough is enough!!! Time for action..... but where do I start???

G'day,

Well the 4spd aut has packed it in, I now only have 1st and 2nd gears??? Most certainly not going to be spending $1600 on a reco BTR sh$# box!!!

As some of you may have noticed I have the 351ci Roller cam Winsor which I am trying to sell, well............ its off the market.

I am going to dip into the savings and stick it in to the ol' EB with a nice tough new C4 behind it. ASAP!!!!

Now this is where I get frustrated, I dont really know what step to take next?

I am keeping the standard diff for now, so thats one thing out of the way.

My biggest problems are intake and exhaust manifolds.

I REALLY dont want to resort to custom extractors, any ideas of what will fit?

Intake manifolds are something like $800 new minus fuel rails etc. Any ideas?

I am getting some magna 'blue top' injectors for $30 each and and a fuel pump from some crazy rice burner.

Is it difficult to switch cylinder heads once the engine has been installed?

Will standard 5.0L EFI rocker covers fit the 5.8's heads???

(I know I have asked this before) Which bell housing do I need (Early C4 to late 5.8L)???

What sort of flexplate balance weight do I need?

Will the pully brackets from a serpintine belt 5.0L Fit on my engine?

Which 'big' front bottom pulley do I need? (cant remember what it is called)

Twin Volvo cooling fans or twin Davies Craig?

What sort of gearbox cooler does everyone reccomend? It needs to be something pretty decent, I dont want another dead box.

I am going aftermarket ECU as I can get it done at a pretty good price through a mate.

MAF or Map or neither?

TB size?

Anyone reccoment any good engine mounts?

Sump????



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Old 12-23-2004, 19:20   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Right!!! Enough is enough!!! Time for action..... but where do I start???

blimey! thats a lot of questions, and i can only help with a couple (being much more interested in the I6's particular conundrums)

you say you have a 251ci windsor - did you mean clevo or is it a stroked windsor? if its a windsor then you can get pacemakers off the shelf to fit, im sure many other places will sell extractors to fit.

for intake manifolds i think any from a windsor should fit? and same with heads? for the actual build of the motor i think you would be better off to post a few threads in the windsor section.

for parts try your luck in the trader, you might get lucky there.

its not hard to swap cylinder heads when the engine is in as opposed to when its on a stand, but its much easier to just build the thing right the first time and then put it in, instead of buggerising about changing stuff.

EL thermofans are your best bet, they fit straight on to the EB radiator with no mods - if you want a brand spankers Ford v8 radiator give us a yell, i can get good prices on genuine parts.

get a big bloody oil cooler and mount it in front of the radiator.

map or maf will depend on the computer you get - map probably better but costs more to tune.

sump off a normal windsor should fit, but if you want a larger one im sure tht some people make them...
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Old 12-23-2004, 20:19   #3 (permalink)
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The sump is different as the rear main seal / bearing is bigger...
The inlet TOP will fit BUT you need specific 351 lower as the block is wider...
All accessaries will fit as the alloy bracket's that bolt to head is the same ..
HOWEVER being a wider block due to its higher deck height you'll need longer serpintine belt...

Go on www.corral.net classified section

http://www.corral.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=323

and buy some decent injectors, don't pay more than $200 U.S.So they'll cost $350 to your door, ...
If it's a roller 351 then it'll be 50 Oz ballance...But check!!!
Almost any V8 C4 will bolt up..The early 289 had 5 bolt pattern..
Extractors should fit but they're 50mm higher so some small mods may need to be done? Harmonic ballancer is what you are thinking of right???
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Old 01-02-2005, 02:56   #4 (permalink)
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Thank you both for replying, sorry that i didn't respont sooner, have been away over the christmas break, checked the replys but didnt have time to post one myself. I will reply in more detail tommorow.......

Rollin, it is a 351 windsor. Extractors will be a problem because the 351's deck height is greater than the 302 which has a smaller block (in every dimension unfortunatley).

I was wondering if the Bosch 040 internal fuel pump will fit into the existing cradle? And if the standard I6 ECU will handle the extra load/flow/etc,etc.......

Is the Bosch 040 very noisy? i.e. will I be able to hear it clearly in the 'cabin'?

Thanks, and ill get back with some more replys tommorow, I need to ght this donk in by the end of Jan.

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I was wondering if the Bosch 040 internal fuel pump will fit into the existing cradle? And if the standard I6 ECU will handle the extra load/flow/etc,etc.......

Is the Bosch 040 very noisy? i.e. will I be able to hear it clearly in the 'cabin'?
The Bosch 040 will fit in easily and isn't any lounder than the stock pump really. As for the EEC, I think you will at least have to go to a V8 EEC setup and reprogram it with a Tweecer, or you could opt for an aftermarket EEC which I think would be easier.
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Old 01-02-2005, 07:45   #6 (permalink)
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it's no that hard to convert the inline six harness to sefi with maf sensor, the only thing that you may have some problems getting is a aust eeciv to suit twEECer, probley easier to get a mustang/cobra eec. check out www.icenet.com.au/~pie
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Will be definatly going aftermarket ECU,
I was just wondering if for the time being the I6 ecu could handle the 040 till I get the new ECU.

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I guess it will start and run batch or bank to bank injection???
Latter fit EMS 8860 or Haltech etc
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Old 01-03-2005, 00:16   #9 (permalink)
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I guess it will start and run batch or bank to bank injection???
Latter fit EMS 8860 or Haltech etc

Sorry, I should have worded that one a little better.......

I meant, before I even put the V8 and new ECU in, will my current I6 ECU (running I6 engine) be able to handle the Bosch 040 (or skyline pump).

Sorry....

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I meant, before I even put the V8 and new ECU in, will my current I6 ECU (running I6 engine) be able to handle the Bosch 040 (or skyline pump).
Yeah it will no problems, the fuel pressure will stay the same because it is controlled by the regulator, you will just circulate the fuel much quicker.
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