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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-19-02, 05:18 AM Thread Starter
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Question Will it sound better?

Hey guys,

I don't know shit when it comes to stereo's and its varying components, and I want to know a few things...

First off...

I just bought some Pioneer 6" 180w 3way speakers for the back shelf (i'd rather 6*9's but i don't want to cut the shelf). Neway, I installed them, and it pretty much sounds the same as the 18w standard speakers?!

I've still got the stock head unit, and I'm hoping that this is the reason why it sounds pretty much the same. If I get a headunit with say, 4*45w of power, will it sound better? Also, should I use the wires that are supplied with the speakers? I just used the stock wires because I couldn't be bothered swapping them over (i'll do this when I get the headunit).

So yeah, will it sound better with a new headunit, and/or wiring?

At JB or any other hifi place, do they install doorpods so I can put 6*9's in the front?

Thanks, and sorry for my ignorance :D


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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-19-02, 05:25 AM
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New speakers need to be 'run in' and would sound different after, say, a week of regular use.

Upgrading the head unit may bring more volume, as the standard head unit is not powerful enough to bring out the best in 180w speakers. When I upgraded my rear speakers, I noted that the power rating went from 16 watts PMPO for the original rear speakers, to 200! I had already upgraded my head unit by this stage.

Also, the standard speaker wiring would be fine for most purposes.

I hope this helps.

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Are these speakers any good?


Considering that I don't really want a system costing thousands of dollars..

I was considering buying Kenwood 200w 3way 6" but the sales guy reckoned that the Pioneer 180w would sound better because they don't need to be pushed as much as the Kenwood 200w for the same loudness/sound.. The were the same price and they didn't have heaps of them lying around, so I considered what he said to be legit..

Can you get Pods installed in the front doors to fit 6x9's at hifi stores??

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You could get pods made to accomodate 6x9s in the front doors, but you would be much better off investing in a set of 6" splits if you are going to the trouble of having pods made.

The speakers you have bought for the parcel shelf will be fine and will sound a little better once you have upgraded the h/u.

Are you planning on installing any amps or subs?
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I've got a pretty limited income, so upgrades will come every now and then.

In a couple of weeks i'll get a Mainstream Brand H/U that doesn't have all the bells and whistles. All I care about it is the quality of the product and how it sounds. I'll prolly be looking to spend between $250-300.

Then a couple of weeks after that, will come the front speakers with pods (how much would this set me back do you reckon?). Also what are 6" splits? Are they just 6" speakers? or are the different? What are the good for, and why?

Then will come a basic amp, then after that, a single sub. What's the difference between a 10" and say a 12"? Are they worth the $50 difference?

For this kind of system what kind of amp would I be looking at getting?

Sorry for the questions, as I've never really paid much attention to stereo's before. Now that I'm getting one, it would be good to get some info.

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6" splits are like a 2 way 6" speaker but they are seperated, they sound a hell of alot clearer than most 6X9's and if you're on a budget and want decent quality I'd go some clarion 6" splits, they're on special at the moment at autobarn for $149

To get the rear speakers sounding a bit better run some heavier gauge cable to them, I was sceptical at first when I did it but it was sure as hell worth it, the bass response and the clarity of the treble increased greatly, I'm not sure if it will make much of a difference with the stock head unit cos it's got a pretty poor output level, but for around $20 to do all speakers in ur car it's worth a try, ask for some 12 gauge.

With regards to the sub it's quality over size, if you buy say a clarion or crossfire 10" sub they will sound shit loads better than a sony or kenwood 12". And for the amp aim for a well known brand name 2 channel amp that can do at least 100wrms when bridged into one channel, and also get some decent heavy gauge power cable for it, It made a difference to the way my sub sounded. Most car audio places do packages for a decent sub and amp setup for around $400 so shop around

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Im also currently workin on my stereo. I have a Pioneer Head unit 45x4 Mosfett, but just running factory EF speakers. does ne1 know the rating of these, cos they seem pretty average on the bass side of things. I have a 12" pioneer sub running of 130WRMS alpine amp (finished install 2day) and now wanna upgrade the speakers in cabin to match. For 6" splits in the front, can they be fitted in the factory Fairmont door trim?? Do all splits come with separate cross over that has to be mounted somewhere??? Thanx for ur help guys

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post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-12-03, 07:15 AM
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Hey guys,

I own an EBII GLi, and I installed a Clarion DB225.
I have been more than happy with it's performance, i also installed Clarion 6x9's onto the parcel shelf which made a HELL of a difference. Sometimes the amount of BASS coming from the speakers at the BASS level of 2, i really wonder whether i need a SUB!.

The only thing im waiting on now is 6" Clarion 2 ways to hook up into the doors replacing the crappy stock Pioneer 6"s.

Anywayz.. definetely consider Clarion when installing car audio u wont be dissapointed.

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Hey Ace_92EBII, ill have the clarion 6" speakers from my VK in the side doors tomorrow. Ill come around and show you what your missing!...

BTW: when you getting your belt fixed again? Well have to get the 3 EB's together and go for a cruise

You'll be back by 1 tomorrow wont you? Cause I got to go to autobarn near you anyways...
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