Engine management for I6 turbo - Ford Forums - Mustang Forum, Ford Trucks, Ford Focus and Ford Cars
Ford Forum Ford Forum

» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
ยป Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   Ford Forums - Mustang Forum, Ford Trucks, Ford Focus and Ford Cars > The Garage - Tech Forums > Superchargers | Turbos | N2O
Register Home Forum Active Topics Photo Gallery Auto Loans Garage Mark Forums Read Auto Escrow

FordForums.com is the premier Ford Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-06-2004, 08:59   #1 (permalink)
Looking in YOUR bathroom.
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Adelaide
Age: 31
Posts: 3,287
Engine management for I6 turbo

Well to keep it seperate from my fueling thread i thaught i would discuss engine management in here.

Regarding Tuning, i know the stock EECV system wont be a part of anything above 6psi, and a few things came to mind. Using Tweecer is out of the question at the moment due to lack of suport of Ausie EECV's, and a unichip seems like a bandaid fix. I was wondering what would be a cost efective route to take. Im not intrested in going back to EECIV as i have a full EL dash and will keep smartlock and stock instrumentation.

Is a uni chip a good way to go with a 3bar map sensor, or would a full ecu (HALTECH/EMS/Motec) be more suitable?

Any thaughts people?
__________________
Ive been described as a vault of usless random knowledge.

Ill take it as a complement i think.............
Walkinshaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 02-06-2004, 17:53   #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Gold Coast
Posts: 529
Re: Engine management for I6 turbo

How much boost do you want to run??

Then look at all the options for their resolution over your range. Some have moveable points and some have hardly any. I wouldn't trust a Wolf 3D ver 3 over 12psi, it moves it's load points from the NA regions to boost. Above 12psi I think only 12% of the points (which aren't many) are in vacuum, this would give questionable part throttle cruising.

Also Motec is probably too overkill for you and your budget. If you could afford Motec you would be sticking on a brand new GT35 roller bearing turbo. The Haltech and EMS have very good praise and are good middle road ecus.
not ford is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2004, 22:45   #3 (permalink)
Two SC 61's = trouble
 
ebxr8240's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Penrith,nswAus/Morrinville.NZ
Age: 61
Posts: 6,360
Re: Engine management for I6 turbo

I have Haltech and a friend of mine has EMS 8860 there isn't much between them..They are 100% programable no smadging to make it work.The std eec can still stay to control idle smartlock etc...
__________________
Don't be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the Ark...Professionals built the Titanic!
.
Tuned & maintained by "Peppertree Perfmormance". Dart block, Scat 4340 steel crank, Custom C.P pistons.Oliver rods.. Mal Wood twin plate clutch.. Twin SC61/2's,482 rwkw/ 645 rwhp..
Passengers, myocardial infarction material..
R.I.P Possum...

Last edited by ebxr8240; 02-19-2004 at 07:31.
ebxr8240 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2004, 00:37   #4 (permalink)
tgoodlich@hotmail*****
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Perth WA
Posts: 381
Re: Engine management for I6 turbo

I use an EMS 8860. With the high resolution it has it gives very good drivability, fuel economy and better power. I know its a big claim but you can come around and test drive the EA to see for yourself. I also have a adaptor harness that allows this computer to be plugged directly into all ECC4 powered fords (EA/ED/EL). No cutting of wires and 5 min plug and drive job as all tuning has been done(may need some fine tuning) if you want to go this way
turbotrana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2004, 02:08   #5 (permalink)
Looking in YOUR bathroom.
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Adelaide
Age: 31
Posts: 3,287
Re: Engine management for I6 turbo

intresting, EL(mine) runs EEC5 system, but has the 60pin ECU ala EA/D so some slight rewiring may be required. Does the EMS replace the stock ECU or is the origional computer left in there to control Thermos/idle/AC/smartliock/BEM/Instruments(EL instruments are driven of a databus line).

Very intresting.
__________________
Ive been described as a vault of usless random knowledge.

Ill take it as a complement i think.............
Walkinshaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2004, 02:27   #6 (permalink)
Two SC 61's = trouble
 
ebxr8240's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Penrith,nswAus/Morrinville.NZ
Age: 61
Posts: 6,360
Re: Engine management for I6 turbo

Depends how long or how much money you want to pay tuner.Mine operates thermo fans.But left idle to std [Actually Cobra X3Z eec4] But idle control can be done aftermarket as well, just time..Usually chassis operations are left to std eec...
__________________
Don't be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the Ark...Professionals built the Titanic!
.
Tuned & maintained by "Peppertree Perfmormance". Dart block, Scat 4340 steel crank, Custom C.P pistons.Oliver rods.. Mal Wood twin plate clutch.. Twin SC61/2's,482 rwkw/ 645 rwhp..
Passengers, myocardial infarction material..
R.I.P Possum...
ebxr8240 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2004, 06:23   #7 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Martin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: NSW/ACT
Posts: 3,023
Re: Engine management for I6 turbo

Yeah go with the EMS 8860 like Turbotrana recommended, its what im running at the moment and runs fantastic. A bit rich at the moment as it was tuned for an EA 3.9 with its lower pressure regulator and pump. But once I get this Wide Band O2 sensor plugged in ill be able to tune it on the fly.

Replaces the standard ECU, and everything like A/C, idle, Smartlock still works.

(ill be posting the full detail report of this mod once I get it tuned right, so stay tuned - pun not intended )
__________________
1993 ED XR6 M5 (1 of 329)
Polynesian Green
Turbo on the way!!
1993 EBII Fairmont (Now wrecking, PM if you want any parts)
1988 Nissan R31 Skyline
Martin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2004, 23:11   #8 (permalink)
Looking in YOUR bathroom.
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Adelaide
Age: 31
Posts: 3,287
Re: Engine management for I6 turbo

sounds good, for EEC4. EEC5 is another matter, Thermos, and databus line. i hope these will work, or the stock ECU may have to remain just for things like Trip Computer+Instruments.
__________________
Ive been described as a vault of usless random knowledge.

Ill take it as a complement i think.............
Walkinshaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 03:44   #9 (permalink)
tgoodlich@hotmail*****
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Perth WA
Posts: 381
Re: Engine management for I6 turbo

Yeh Martin is using the adaptor harness I made up and since I tuned on a stock EA, the fuel map I gave him is a little rich. He has to do a little bit of tuning( lower fuel % trim function mainly, quite simple) for his XR6 as it runs a higher fuel pressure. If anyone can fax me the EL engine computer wiring diagrams I can see whether the EL has anything that may pose any problem. In anycase I am quite sure I can make it work as well as the EA to ED harness.
When I got some time I'm going to see how much power I can get with Turbonetics T61 turbo, stock injectors at 50psi base fuel pressure, extra fuel pump, maybe extra injector/s and the EMS 8860 but no intercooling at all on a stock EA thats done 300 000km. Will keep you updated on this exercise.
turbotrana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 03:46   #10 (permalink)
tgoodlich@hotmail*****
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Perth WA
Posts: 381
Re: Engine management for I6 turbo

Forgot my fax number is 08 92551277. If its engaged I'm on the net, try later
turbotrana is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Ford Forums - Mustang Forum, Ford Trucks, Ford Focus and Ford Cars > The Garage - Tech Forums > Superchargers | Turbos | N2O



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Holdens new V6 EED-250 The Pub 52 08-09-2003 22:07
Tsb: 2002 Explorer Sport Trac LunaticSVT Ford Escape | C-MAX | Mercury Mariner Forum 0 07-15-2003 14:27
BA Falcon Engine Reveal RPO83 Ford Worldwide News 0 09-04-2002 07:27

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 16:52.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.