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Old 07-10-2003, 22:07   #1 (permalink)
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Sunroof install

Hiya all,

I have a sunroof from my 86 ZL Fairlane that I want to move across to my 86 FE LTD. The body on these are identical. The sunroof is factory fitted (I think) and because of that may make it difficult to move across.

I have been given two reasons for this complication.
1) The edges of the whole in the roof are factory rounded inwards to make a better seal. This is not impossible to do (obviously!) But ads to the complexity and cost of the job.

2) Some parts are not removable, and cannot be bought new. Hence preventing re-installation in another vehicle.

Does anyone have any experience with these models and the sunroof? Are these claims true? I will hopefully get into the beast this weekend and have a closer look and see if I can't pull it out....

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Old 07-10-2003, 23:38   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Sunroof install

I don't understand why anything would be non-removable, that's what angle grinders are for ;p

But as far as fitting sunroofs(rooves?) goes, I did one on my WB panelvan, no dramas. Of course it wasn't electric.

All I did was cut a hole in the metal to suit the frame (plus a bit for rubber seals), put seals around the edges of the hole, and tackweld the mounting brackets to the roof.

Now this is not good for your paintwork, I am sure there are other ways to do it but didn't bother researching as the paint was shot anyway :)
Sealing material you can get from just about anywhere, try going to a wholesaler rather than somewhere like Marlows as you will save ridiculous amounts of money.
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Old 07-13-2003, 23:41   #3 (permalink)
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what glue do they use on sealing the sunroof? It looks pretty serious. More importantly, what is the best way to remove it?

It looks like it's aftermarket, so hopefully I can pull it out, then get it installed somehow? Can you get a clean cut agains the paint by using an angle grinder or some other metal cutting tool?
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Selley's All-clear works OK for me.
The glue they used would probably have been the same stuff they use on the windscreen - some type of silicone rubber I believe. Should just be able to cut it, then scrape off the residue.

Any time you're cutting painted metal you will cook the paint and need to repaint the small area around the cut. Depending on the design, it may not have support brackets, relying on the grip it has on the edge of the hole. Otherwise you can weld the brackets to the underside of the roof, or probably a good metal-bonding epoxy like Superglue (but better ) should do.

Hope that helps.
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The factory roof in the ZL was actually an ASC moonroof. When they were installed originally a specially fabricated die was used to bend the roof into the rolled edge you see. The main complications with this style of roof is generating the rolled edge and the necessity to respray the roof after the installation. I install some late model sunroofs with a rolled edge and its an expensive and time consuming process.

I dont know of anyone who currently has a set of dies to do the installation but ringing around wouldnt hurt, I doubt it would be cheap though if you find someone able to do the job.

The only other ways I've seen the roofs installed are fairly bodgy, either the whole turret of a donor car is transferred and welded onto the old pillars (fairly drastic really! but can actually be ok if its done well). The other method Ive seen is for the roof to be glued to the underside of a roof and the edge bogged over.. not really desirable.

If its an aftermarket roof you would be better off can you have it checked out and identified by someone or does it have any lettering on the glass of the sunroof that would help identify it? Its possible it could be installed in another car.
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It is definately an aftermarket job as there are no rolled edges. I will be getting to it with an angle-grinder and take the roof to sydney to get it installed as absolutely no-one locally will do it for me? It seems there is a small number of people that can complete sunroof installs?

I could not even get someone in Canberra to install it? What's the go. So stuff-it, i'll go to Sydney. I know a bodywork 'specialist' that will do it for me when I get the cash.

Any advice about the tubes that remove water from the water catchment tray? Currently there are 4 of them, one from each corner of the tray. The four tubes go to one of the four corner pillars. Because I have had excessive rust in that particular car, I think the tubes were removing water into the body of the car and hence causing the rust. Does anyone know where these tubes should go? the easiest way to put these tubes in?

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Otherwise you can weld the brackets to the underside of the roof, or probably a good metal-bonding epoxy like Superglue (but better ) should do.
Try "DEVCON" - this stuff is awesome, and VERY strong, it can be drilled and tapped and bolted to.
Just make sure the surfaces are spotlessly clean (use sanpaper etc & carby cleaner) mix the epoxy and apply it, prop it up and leave it in the sun for a day, and it will be as good as welding.

I know on 80's LTD's the rear drains always used to block, and one car had a swimming pool within the vinyl hood lining, the drains go down the rear pilllars to the wheel arch area. You should be able to just grab some clear hose from a hardware and run new drains through. Location isnt that important, as long as flow is all downhill from the sunroof and they drain externally to the car.
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As 9psi EB said the rear drain tubes are best taken through the pillars to the area behind the wheelarch I favour using a 19mm HSS hole saw to drill a hole through the body then paint it using a rustguard paint seal it with a non acidic silicone adhesive such as Rhodorsil V-60.

The front drain tubes the front drain tubes should exit in the area behind the kick trims drill a hole using the holesaw through to the outside of the car its best not to go into the wheelarch though if possible as a lot of mud can get thrown into the outlet of the tube blocking it.
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