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Old 02-16-2005, 18:18   #1 (permalink)
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Powerchip coming soon

For those that are interested; Powerchip Australia
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The Territory upgrade will be available in 3 - 4 weeks and the price will be $990. Please let me know if you have any further questions.
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Old 02-17-2005, 00:49   #2 (permalink)
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What are the benefits?
How does it compare to the Stealth from Herrod?
I don't know much about any of these chips/program modifiers.....
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Sorry mate I wouldnt bother.
Its just simply an off the shelf one fits all job, which in our day really doesnt cut the mustard.
Wouldnt be worthwhile unless you had mods on the engine.
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Old 02-17-2005, 03:05   #4 (permalink)
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What are the benefits?
How does it compare to the Stealth from Herrod?
I don't know much about any of these chips/program modifiers.....

I'm no expert, but I'll tell what I know which is minimal.

The Stealth is a programmable unit that connects in series with the original PCM and requires fine-tuning on a dyno.
Through it you can change the engines; fuel/air ratio, ignition timing and possibly valve timing.
This is excellent to get the absolute last hp out of the engine, it is also great if the engine is modified, such as; exhaust, air intake, piston/compression ratio, turbo boost, etc. All these modification require the re-calibration of the PCM to suit the engine.

The Powerchip is a pre-programmed unit that replaces a module inside the PCM.
Each different vehicle type & model has to be R & D’d, they get the vehicle & experiment with adjustments that usually include fuel ratio, ignition timing & possibly electronic valve timing, until the best & safest possible enhancements are found, and then it is mass-produced. It can not be re-calibrated like the Stealth.

The vehicle manufacturer designs their system with a safety margin to guarantee longevity in the event; lack of maintenance, a fool driver, or unforeseen circumstances happen, and to allow for our poor quality standard fuels.
The safety features are usually; ignition timing that will not reach the possible max or reaches it slowly, slightly rich fuel supply to guard against extreme heat, W.O.T full load driving, etc.
Companies like Powerchip take out all these variables and ring the most from the system leaving very little in reserve, for most people that does not matter since we use high-octane fuel & keep the vehicle regularly maintained.

For the Territory, I have been looking at something like a Powerchip.

If I had a GT or some other type of sport sedan then I would look at Stealth

If anyone has a better explanation or needs to correct me, please do so.
Because as I said, I am no expert on this subject.
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I'm no expert, but I'll tell what I know which is minimal.

The Stealth is a programmable unit that connects in series with the original PCM and requires fine-tuning on a dyno.
Through it you can change the engines; fuel/air ratio, ignition timing and possibly valve timing.
This is excellent to get the absolute last hp out of the engine, it is also great if the engine is modified, such as; exhaust, air intake, piston/compression ratio, turbo boost, etc. All these modification require the re-calibration of the PCM to suit the engine.

The Powerchip is a pre-programmed unit that replaces a module inside the PCM.
Each different vehicle type & model has to be R & D’d, they get the vehicle & experiment with adjustments that usually include fuel ratio, ignition timing & possibly electronic valve timing, until the best & safest possible enhancements are found, and then it is mass-produced. It can not be re-calibrated like the Stealth.

The vehicle manufacturer designs their system with a safety margin to guarantee longevity in the event; lack of maintenance, a fool driver, or unforeseen circumstances happen, and to allow for our poor quality standard fuels.
The safety features are usually; ignition timing that will not reach the possible max or reaches it slowly, slightly rich fuel supply to guard against extreme heat, W.O.T full load driving, etc.
Companies like Powerchip take out all these variables and ring the most from the system leaving very little in reserve, for most people that does not matter since we use high-octane fuel & keep the vehicle regularly maintained.

For the Territory, I have been looking at something like a Powerchip.

If I had a GT or some other type of sport sedan then I would look at Stealth

If anyone has a better explanation or needs to correct me, please do so.
Because as I said, I am no expert on this subject.
What would be the most obvious benifet from "seat of the pants" experience as I can imagine new power figures or % increases will be quoted but as I have never looked at or driven such a modified car this is what I'd like to understand more. Plus if your local dealer next services the car does everything get reset or are there issues with them even touching the car later?
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I'm sorry but I don't understand the mentality in fiddling with such fundamental but sophisticated equipment as a cars ECU.

Despite what the manufacturers of these pieces of equipment say .... they havent done the testing to 'guarantee' the performance of their ECU replacement and if they screw up, who do you really think is going to help you? No one could expect Ford to carry the can.

This is a forum obviously .... and everyone can do what they wanna do ... but all I can say is be very careful .... your playing with much more than a box of matches.
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What would be the most obvious benifet from "seat of the pants" experience as I can imagine new power figures or % increases will be quoted but as I have never looked at or driven such a modified car this is what I'd like to understand more. Plus if your local dealer next services the car does everything get reset or are there issues with them even touching the car later?
Guessing here, as I only know what I have read & been told by friends.

No it can't be reset, as the modification is physically installed.

The PCM works as normal, the only difference is when driving. So Ford tools do not register any difference with the PCM.

If the modification caused lean fuel mixtures or it advanced the ignition timing to far, engine damage is possible. Trying to get waranty on an engine that has burnt valves or melted rings would be very hard, especially if the PCM modification is found.
That said, a company like Powerchip should offer a warranty against such things; I don't know if they do.

The PCM will still retain Fail Safe procedures; if the knock sensor detects pinging the PCM will retard ignition timing, if the oxygen sensor detects a lean burn the PCm will richen the fuel/air mix, if temperature increases too much the PCM will increase fuel & retard timing, etc.
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It would be quite hard to destroy a motor with one of these chips or a similar type, the Stealth is the one that has potential to destro an engine.
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Falcon has never had DSC. Mods to AWD might have consequences you should investigate this first (rather than be the 'bunny' who did it first!). Also if you are pumping up your performance, make sure all the downstream components can cope with the boosted torque...
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I'm sorry but I don't understand the mentality in fiddling with such fundamental but sophisticated equipment as a cars ECU.

Despite what the manufacturers of these pieces of equipment say .... they havent done the testing to 'guarantee' the performance of their ECU replacement and if they screw up, who do you really think is going to help you? No one could expect Ford to carry the can.

This is a forum obviously .... and everyone can do what they wanna do ... but all I can say is be very careful .... your playing with much more than a box of matches.
OK first of all, what I say here is not meant to be rude.

But I am also sorry, because I don't understand why people are scared to change something or to try and improve an idea. Every thing we have today has come from an old idea that has continually been played with, in the hope of improving.
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If the ECU on a vehicle was so perfect, it would never change again. But it does, the manufacturer is alway caming up with improvements.
When they did find an improvement it was added in the next model, now manufacturers have deigned ECU's that can have the improvements added during a service or recall.

The car companies build performance vehicles because they know the public want them, but originally the only way to get a family car hotted up was to take it to a person who had played with their own car and improved on the manufacturers ideas.

Remember that the companies build their vehicles to a budget and for a wide range of people & climates, there is always room for improvement.
And a reputable company that specialises in modifications will do extensive research & testing.

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If the modification caused lean fuel mixtures or it advanced the ignition timing to far, engine damage is possible. Trying to get waranty on an engine that has burnt valves or melted rings would be very hard, especially if the PCM modification is found.
That said, a company like Powerchip should offer a warranty against such things; I don't know if they do.

The PCM will still retain Fail Safe procedures; if the knock sensor detects pinging the PCM will retard ignition timing, if the oxygen sensor detects a lean burn the PCm will richen the fuel/air mix, if temperature increases too much the PCM will increase fuel & retard timing, etc.

It would be quite hard to destroy a motor with one of these chips or a similar type, the Stealth is the one that has potential to destro an engine
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nah mate ... not taken as rude, not by me anyway .... its a forum to share ideas, opinions and views ....

I agree with you totally that things should and will be improved ... particularly things like ECU's as manufacturers take advantage of new, smaller more powerful computers and software to give fantastic improvements to new cars. Witness Territory being the first Aussie car to get the Bosch version 8 ABS system which permitted Dynamic Stability Control and Hill Descent Control to be available for customers.

But that leads to my point .... who should be doing the improving of ECU's? The manufacturer who has a holistic and "complete vehicle" perspective or an engine 'tuner' who quite clearly by definition is more (solely?) interested in enhancing the power and torque characteristics with how much attention to other items in the ECU???????????

And as for these 'reputable' companies doing their own testing. I think that is wishful thinking. Even Ford can screw up right royally on testing and design, witness the Typhoon clutch issue.
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