Territory Turbo - Ford Forums

micmansour · 11-05-2004, 05:11

Did anyone else see page 3 of Carsguide in the Daily Telegraph (Friday, 5 November). It basically said that Ford is going to produce a Territory Turbo by 2006, and that the AWD drivetrain of the Territory can handle it. The article also said something about FPV not ruling out their own version of the Territory.

460Fairmont · 11-05-2004, 07:17

A prototype territory turbo engine was built on the assembly line about a month ago

ebxr8240 · 11-05-2004, 07:35

Can't get enough of this !!!

dave_au · 11-05-2004, 14:40

Yep, Mellor auto news networks a few weeks ago also announced that Ford maybe looking at implanting a Turbo Diesel too. Possibly from a Jag or Discovery.

From Mellor:

http://www.mellor.net/mellor/enews.nsf/edition/$first
October 20

By MARTON
PETTENDY

THE prospects of Australia’s favourite SUV gaining turbodiesel performance appear to be gathering momentum, with news that Ford Australia plans to evaluate Jaguar’s AJD-V6 for use in its Territory SUV.

Developed in conjunction with the PSA Peugeot-Citroen group, Jaguar’s twin-turbo version of the 2.7-litre common-rail, direct-injection 24-valve V6 – which is expected to appear in Australian S-Types during the third quarter of 2005 – produces 153kW and a towering 435Nm of torque. The same engine will become available in Peugeot’s new 407 sedan and wagon by the end of next year.

Jaguar Australia general manager David Blackhall confi rmed at the facelifted
S-Type launch last week that an example of the S-Type oil-burner, which went
on sale in Europe in June, will be sold to Ford Australia following the completion
of Jaguar’s own local evaluation program.

But it is unclear whether a diesel Territory, if produced, would be powered
by the Jaguar’s AJD-V6, which produces more torque than S-Type’s 4.2-litre
AJ-V8 (with 80 per cent of it available from 1500rpm yet is 47 per cent more
economical) – or if it will employ the simpler, cheaper single-turbo version set to
appear here by March next year in Land Rover’s new Discovery 3.

In the all-wheel drive Discovery TDV6 application, the engine still produces
140kW at 4000rpm and an impressive 445kW at just 1900rpm. Weighing in
at a heftier 2494kg (2504kg auto), it accelerates to 100km/h in a claimed 11.5
seconds (12.8 auto).

Ironically, in Discovery 3, the TDV6 is mated to either a ZF adaptive sixspeed
semi-automatic transmission labelled 6HP26, or the Aisin-built six-speed
manual similar to that found in selected Holden VZ Commodores.

Ford Australia product development chief Trevor Worthington confirmed a
diesel Territory was on Ford’s long-term agenda, but stressed the Blue Oval had not even started down the oil-burner development track yet.

“We’ve always said it’s inevitable that at some point diesel will become viable at the value end of the car market,” he said. “Right now it’s making inroads at the sophisticated, top end of the market where there’s less price sensitivity and
residual value issues. It’s more about exclusivity rather than how long it will take to pay it back.”

Mr Worthington said that right now there was not enough demand to justify the cost of developing and validating a diesel engine option for Territory, which would come at a price premium of between $5000 and $7000.

“Right now diesel costs more than petrol in most places, so there’s no real advantage. People hate dirty bowser nozzles so the infrastructure and acceptance of diesel needs to improve,” he said.

“There might be an argument about (extended) range, so for some people that’s an advantage, and as the uptake of diesel increases and more of them are manufactured the cheaper they will become to produce.

“Right now not enough people will pay the premium. We’re not in a position
to do all the engineering work we’d like to, so we must pick the ones that are
viable – and we’ve always said if something’s not working then we’d address
that.

“Diesel technology is not worth the engineering and validation effort right
now, but that’s not to say it won’t change.” Mr Worthington said he was aware of both the twin-turbo AJD-V6 and single-turbo TDV6 engines currently powering Ford-owned brands Jaguar and Land Rover respectively, but that his investigations had not extended beyond that.

“I’m aware of the engines. And the diesel engine family available within
the Ford world seems like an obvious place to start, especially if validation
work and the like has been done, because it just leaves application work (for
Territory),” he said.

“But you probably know more about them than I do at the moment.”
Mr Worthington said future engine technology for Territory – including the XR6’s popular 240kW 4.0-litre turbocharged six and Ford’s 5.4-litre V8 – would be dictated by consumer demand and engineering capacity, rather than a desire to launch new engines with model updates.

“Facelift time is not the prime dictator,” he said.

ORSMXR · 11-05-2004, 16:24

this new vehicle will be a fuel gussler for sure

flavze · 11-05-2004, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave_au

In the all-wheel drive Discovery TDV6 application, the engine still produces
140kW at 4000rpm and an impressive 445kW at just 1900rpm. Weighing in
at a heftier 2494kg (2504kg auto), it accelerates to 100km/h in a claimed 11.5
seconds (12.8 auto).

445KW'S at 1900RPM.....**** ME SIDEWAYS!!

Thats one grunty diesel

Devil_Racer · 11-05-2004, 19:27

so have they confirmed they are using the AJD-V6?

dave_au · 11-05-2004, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by flavze

445KW'S at 1900RPM.....**** ME SIDEWAYS!!

Thats one grunty diesel

Ive got a feeling the author meant NM.

- Dave

cams290 · 11-05-2004, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by flavze

445KW'S at 1900RPM.....**** ME SIDEWAYS!!

Thats one grunty diesel

A C16 Caterpillar truck motor delivers that kind of horsepower 445kw's = 596 HP

loxxr6 · 11-05-2004, 21:31

Did anyone else see page 3 of Carsguide in the Daily Telegraph (Friday, 5 November). It basically said that Ford is going to produce a Territory Turbo by 2006, and that the AWD drivetrain of the Territory can handle it. The article also said something about FPV not ruling out their own version of the Territory

An article with Flint(or someone) in AMC mentioned the same thing quite a while back. They said they were happy to pop the turbo engine in the Territory but not the v8 as it wasn't in the core focus of the people that they targeted the Territory at.

Giving FPV a stab at the turbo engine in a Territory seems to be a natural progression.