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Old 11-09-2004, 01:49   #1 (permalink)
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Ive got 15inch ford alloys on my au2 xl ute ,with goodyear eagle ga pluses on ,nothing fancy ,but they look ok.Ive had them re-balanced again today and im still getting the shudders when doing about 105-120 kmh.Now when i had the steelos on originally i had no problems at all .When i first bought the ute nearly 2 years ago ,i put some bob-jane auscar rims on and got the same problem,so i got my money back.Bought the ford one s which are made by ROH and they are doing the same.The rims are in top cond,so cant understand why i have this problem.Is it because the alloys are lighter than the steelos.Any ideas
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Old 11-09-2004, 10:38   #2 (permalink)
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I'd take it to a different place for wheel balance/alignment/front end check over.
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Old 11-09-2004, 14:04   #3 (permalink)
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Ive had all the bob jane balances ,they do about 3 and the wheel alignment at wa suspensions ,which imo are the business over here in the west.So unless there is some thing that can be done to the front end ,i"m short on ideas.thanks eb
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Old 11-11-2004, 00:11   #4 (permalink)
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Went back to ian diffens today (the tyre factory) and had them rebalanced.Turns out its the tyres are shite.Anyway they did the best they could ,and i must say ive only got a bit of a shudder now.The owner there said to stay clear of goodyears,which i have been told before,but the car yard put the tyres on when i bought it.He recomends the bridgestone gr 50s or something like that. Anyway all done .
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The owner there said to stay clear of goodyears,which i have been told before,but the car yard put the tyres on when i bought it.He recomends the bridgestone gr 50s or something like that. Anyway all done .
The GA+ is sh*t old tyre. It was introduced something like 10 years ago and discontinued a while back. Those tyres are probably old stock that someone had sitting in their warehouse for ages. If you want a decent Goodyear tyre, Ducaro GA. It'll do the job just fine, but the Dunlop SP300's cost a little bit more but are a far superior tyre.
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Glad you got it sorted CLARKEY!
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Disagree partially. GA+ is not the best tyre, granted, but they can be balanced.
Are you running hub rings? If not you may find that's the problem. Is there a large build up of crap on the hub faces? If so, take off the wheels and get into the hub face with a wire brush. Give the back plate of the rims a going over to. That way when you remount the wheel back on you get a perfectly flush fit. And if you dont think that sort of thing will help, try puting a piece of paper between one wheel and the hub and go for a drive. It will shake the crap out of your car.! Trust me, keeping hub faces clean can have a huge reflection on the balance.

Worst case scenario, if the tyres are truly that out of round,..get onto the Goodyear rep via a Beaurepaires store and they will sort out a better option for you.
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I understand what you are saying abe.I know the owner where i went ,and they did give them a good blowing out.Maybe that wasnt enough.The wheels are balanced ,according to the machine,but when you watch them spin ,one in particular looked like it was buckled.So they blew the tyre up to 60psi ,let it down,put that slushy stuff on the tyre,and moved the tyre round 90 degrees and then rebalanced it.So it did improve it ,but as i said i still can feel it shudder,but it is an improvement.Originally when i got the ute ,the dealer uses the local bob jane store and they put goodyear ga"s on.I could feel lumps in the side wall and when i went back the guy said that was normal.It was only when i kicked up that swapped them for the pluses.And even when he had put them on ,he told me they were a shite tyre.lol.Cause then they wanted to do the dearer balances ,and then i went back again and he wanted me to pay for an on-car balance.That was bollocks ,because i had brand new rims ,which were perfect and its turned out it was the tyres.The tyres have done about 24,000ks at the moment and theres still shit loads of tread on them ,but i think they may be a bit to old for the rep to do anything about them now.Listen to this abe,my missus has a vx commodore.She bought some cheapy auscar alloys 15 inch from bob jane with new pirrelli p6"s on.She paid for the dearer balance and they shuddered.She couldnt be bothered taking them back .6 weeks ago she got the brake discs machined and new front pads and now they are perfect ,not shudder at all .
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I hear what you are saying, but Jane's don't do brakes. So you can't blame them for that. I do know though that if you buff off all the build up that comes on your hubs and rear of rims, it does help a lot.

And NO, in case you are wondering, I do not work for Jane's or any other tyre company. But I have spent most of my adult life in and around cars and have been involved in all kinds of testing. I'm not a mechanic as such, but I do manage a workshop with 3 qualified mech's and a 2nd year apprentice. The Jane system of balancing definitely works. In my eyes it does anyway. I get absolutely no shudder at all up to 140 k. That's as hard as I go on the road these days, and that is only occassionally on a country run. My tyres are Michelin Pilot Preceda's.
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Im not blaming bob jane for the brakes cause they werent done there.The mechanic i use did them.All im saying is ,ian diffens did a standard balance and played around with them ,and they are the best they have been ,so imo bob janes special balances they do arent worth the money imo.And probally the reason you get no shudder is because you got decent tyres on your rims.I will clean the hubs and rims abe and see how i go.cheers mate.
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