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Old 05-28-2004, 19:29   #1 (permalink)
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EF/EL brakes compared to EA/ED

Hey guys got a couple of quick questions regarding the e-series braking systems.

Just wanted to know the physical difference between ED<- brakes and EF-> brakes? We own both an ED and an EF, and the EF brakes are soo much more responsive than the ED ones, despite the fact that they both have ABS installed. What are the physical differences between both braking systems that makes the EF superior??

I always assumed that the difference between EA and EF brakes was the ABS, but this is only engaged when braking hard anyway isn' it??
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Old 05-28-2004, 19:39   #2 (permalink)
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Re: EF/EL brakes compared to EA/ED

ABS will be engaged when one wheels erratically spins or loses traction, in which case, the module kicks in and pulsates on the brakes to bring back traction to enable the driver to steer..

Not sure on the difference between the two braking systems, but it can't be that much of a difference..
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Re: EF/EL brakes compared to EA/ED

there shouldnt be much of a difference at all, from ED to EF brakes... the only difference is the all XRs have th bigger V8 Brake Booster. The EL's have a different handbrake mechanism.

MissFairmonts brakes are different to mine, and both are ED's and have ABS. Mine bite pretty quickly, but hers are a little doughy, and then really bite hard. But then again she has Slotted rotors on the front and mine are all stock
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Re: EF/EL brakes compared to EA/ED

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ABS will be engaged when one wheels erratically spins
isnt that traction control?
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Re: EF/EL brakes compared to EA/ED

Have you had a look to compare the physical differences? It could just be the type of brake pads, the system may need to be bled etc.
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Re: EF/EL brakes compared to EA/ED

the pads are the same on the front, DB1108.. EA-EL but the EF/EL rears are the 1086's(not DB1109 like EA-ED)the 1086's are the same as AU..

It comes down to booster, master cylinders and line pressure and front to rear bias as much as the pads and rotors.. Physically there is little difference, although i think the earlier E series have a steel brake booster not a plastic one like the EF/EL's

this is off the top of my head so i could be wrong :)
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Re: EF/EL brakes compared to EA/ED

I've hung onto my EL booster, but like a fool I sold the master cylinder. I'm hoping the AU one will fit without dramas. Will be interesting to see if I notice a difference...

You'll notice a significant difference in the ABS systems from ED to EF, as one is Bendix and one Bosch.
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Re: EF/EL brakes compared to EA/ED

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there shouldnt be much of a difference at all, from ED to EF brakes... the only difference is the all XRs have th bigger V8 Brake Booster. The EL's have a different handbrake mechanism.

MissFairmonts brakes are different to mine, and both are ED's and have ABS. Mine bite pretty quickly, but hers are a little doughy, and then really bite hard. But then again she has Slotted rotors on the front and mine are all stock
Yeah I noticed that when I had it, I had the front calipers rebuilt and I think the rears need to be done but when Rollin and I took them off to do shocks etc. they were seized again, so I kept greasing the bastards up.

You'll find though the pads don't work too wel when they are cold or wet but once warm the haul arse something stupid!! You can feel the slots on the front rotors biting hard too. Hows my old girl going by the way?
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Re: EF/EL brakes compared to EA/ED

Jack, the booster will fit, i had an AU one on my car.
the main difference between the ED and EF is the rear caliper, the EA/D caliper is Cast Iron and has an integral Park brake.
The EF has an Alloy rear caliper and the park brake is seperate.
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Yeah I noticed that when I had it, I had the front calipers rebuilt and I think the rears need to be done but when Rollin and I took them off to do shocks etc. they were seized again, so I kept greasing the bastards up.

You'll find though the pads don't work too wel when they are cold or wet but once warm the haul arse something stupid!! You can feel the slots on the front rotors biting hard too. Hows my old girl going by the way?

Yea i found that once they warm up they are heaps better...

the Fairmont is going great, hasnt missed a beat, and i dont think will.

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