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Old 06-29-2003, 16:58   #1 (permalink)
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Tyre Choices!! Some opinions please

In my endevour to sort out my shakin wheel trouble I have come to the following conclusions.

1. The mags are fine (thank fark for that!!)
2. Its either the tyres or the fron susp/steering; because...

I've been on a long trip out west and noted the following:

- The steerign wheel shudders ONLY between 103kmh and 130kmh and it is strictly intermittent!! Not constant. Below this speed bracket and above (up to 170) its smooth as silk.

- Going round corners and up hill its smooth, every other time its intermittent.

- I can cruise for around 3mins smooth as at 110, then hit a few bumps... still smooth then a bit of steering coreection and it starts to shudder. after a few minutes it goes again only to return at some stage after some sort of steering/bump input.

If its the tyres then my personal favourites are Yokohama A539s and I have a quote to get them fitted at $198 ea.

Other tyres include (225/50/r16):
- Pirelli p6000 $213
- Kumo 712 $170
- Nexen $156

Any opinions would be nice.
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Old 06-29-2003, 17:16   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Tyre Choices!! Some opinions please

I took the plunge on my EB2 wagon and followed Wheels magazine tyre test results. I fitted Yokahama A539s and went from 205/65x15 to 215/60x15. Early days yet however they are very very good.

Having said that you're into the performance tyre range in 16s and if I am correct Wheels proved that a Michelin was the best in this sort of tyre.

For the record, my EB2 has a similar vibration issue. I found stuffed bushes in the radius rods which could explain my woes. I'll get back to you after I get them replaced as new tyres didn't sort the issue.
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Re: Tyre Choices!! Some opinions please

Well I would go the Yokohama's as well, always been a geat tyre IMO, but I can't comment on the others.

Have you checked ball joints, and tie rod ends, does the steering rack feel like it has any play in it.

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I know the boot on the laft ball joint (lower) is stuffed, but I don't know about the ball joint themselves.

The radius rod bit sounds promising.

I notice that you need to correct the steering a little when the road cambers to one side. prob turn the steering wheel about 5-10mm to keep the car straight.

As for play it feels tight, but when I have the vibration issue it feels loose. But that could be high speed making the steering lighter.
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what tyres are they anyway?


i've got a similar problem, but i thought up till now it was my cheap south chinese rubber. (good when you pay 145ea for 235/45r17! grippy too) shudders between 90 and 110-120.. but below that and up to 180, it's smooth as.

brushes in radius rods eh AP? i'll look into it. keep ya all posted(no pun intended).
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OK - problem solved, or thereabouts.

I rang around 8 different tyre places including the following:
  • Bob Jane
  • Jax
  • Quick Fit
  • Beaurepairs
  • Ian Diffen
  • And a loval guy (noname)

Of all the places, only quick fit were interested in helping me out (i started the conversation by inquiring about tyre prices).

The bloke invited me to bring the car down and get it checked out. Turns out the mags were simply ot balanced properly! Its amazed how incompetent some places are. I have been to Bob jane 4 times and Jax at least 3 times and the problem persisted.

Quick fit checked radius rods, Ball joints, steering etc and said it was all fine and in great condition. They then tested each wheel and came to the following conclusions:
  • Back left mag has a buckle and can be fixed
  • the front mags were both out by 20 and 25g a side, hence the vibration

The bloke also took the car for a high speed run and said there was no detectable vibration up to 130. The balance performed was an off car balance costing me $9 a wheel.

I have since got the car bakc and gave her a thrashing and she seems to be just fine! I need to try some longer high speed testing to be certain (coast cruise) but so far am impressed with the service, solution and little time it took to fix the problem.

I will be going back to Quick fit now and not any other tyre place!
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Yeah. My front end got the all clear as well. Then after some towing and fitting good front brakes the radius rod bush finally spat the dummy and popped off onto the actual rod hanging there in plain view.

Good news for you though!
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good to hear 94ED.. i'll find a good tyre shop and try that.. the shop i bought the tyres from was a pretty dodgy shop(hence my good price) so i think they might not have balanced the tyres properly either..
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Re: Tyre Choices!! Some opinions please

Well I would have thought off car wheel balancing was standard, always been how my wheels have been balanced, and its pretty hard to stuff it up if you have watched it being done, unless they didnt put the weights on properly and the fell off, or the machine is way out of whack (but I doubt this one).

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