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Old 11-19-2008, 05:29   #1 (permalink)
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We just got a '90 Escort with only 74K miles - wow.

It hasn't been run for a few months, it needs some work.

My question is: what do I do in the meantime? I could have it running by the weekend, it might be several months - what would you suggest I do to make sure things don't get worse while it's sitting in the shop?

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Old 11-19-2008, 19:48   #2 (permalink)
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We just got a '90 Escort with only 74K miles - wow.

It hasn't been run for a few months, it needs some work.

My question is: what do I do in the meantime? I could have it running by the weekend, it might be several months - what would you suggest I do to make sure things don't get worse while it's sitting in the shop?

Thanks!

Nic in Bham



Hello and good day to you Nic:

WOW is Right A 1990 Ford Escort with only 74,000 miles on it....That is something...

Ok...now may I ask what type of things need to be repaired?? When you say it has not been "RUN" for a couple of months...what do you mean???...."it hasn't been Driven, or Started"/??

Now for you last statement...I have no clue what you are really asking....can you please clarify this a little more???

Nic I have been studying your last comment,,,,,and forgive me...I just don't understand...

Please clarify, and advise us further.....6
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:55   #3 (permalink)
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Hello and good day to you Nic:

WOW is Right A 1990 Ford Escort with only 74,000 miles on it....That is something...

Ok...now may I ask what type of things need to be repaired?? When you say it has not been "RUN" for a couple of months...what do you mean???...."it hasn't been Driven, or Started"/??

Now for you last statement...I have no clue what you are really asking....can you please clarify this a little more???

Nic I have been studying your last comment,,,,,and forgive me...I just don't understand...

Please clarify, and advise us further.....6
Thanks Sterling_Six!

Yes, 1990 with 74k. I couldn't believe it myself. Older gentleman with Alzheimer's - family wanted to sell the car before he started driving it off again. No dents, no dings - a few rust stains here and there (I want to get them asap, but if I can't start it, rust is a moot point!)

It hasn't been driven nor started for I don't know how long - several months at least. When my wife went to look at it, they turned the key, it tried to crank then smoke came from the engine. Turns out, the alternator wiring, plug and alternator recepticle melted on the spot.

I've replaced the alternator, the pigtail/alternator plug, the battery ground/negative cable (the insulation was completely disintegrated!) and tried to start it. Nothing. Not a click, not a crank, nothing.

This is obviously going to be a longer project than just a weekend.

So, to clarify my original question: since it's been sitting for ? months, now it's going to be sitting for ? weeks/months more - is there any kind of "prep" I can do to make sure stuff doesn't get worse as it sits? For example, when engines get shipped from overseas, they pour oil in the cylinders so they don't rust - should I consider doing that? Should I empty the gas tank? Pour in fuel stabilizer (or is it too late already)? Stuff a sock into the cold air intake so bugs/mice/critters don't crawl in! :)

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

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So, to clarify my original question: since it's been sitting for ? months, now it's going to be sitting for ? weeks/months more - is there any kind of "prep" I can do to make sure stuff doesn't get worse as it sits? For example, when engines get shipped from overseas, they pour oil in the cylinders so they don't rust - should I consider doing that? Should I empty the gas tank? Pour in fuel stabilizer (or is it too late already)? Stuff a sock into the cold air intake so bugs/mice/critters don't crawl in! :)



Nic:

Are you planing to store this over the Winter???

I would not pour OIL into the Cylinders....But what I would suggest is to first get this vehicle started...

OK now again if I understand you correctly you Replaced the following:


1. I've replaced the alternator, the pigtail/alternator plug, the battery ground/negative cable (the insulation was completely disintegrated!) and tried to start it. Nothing. Not a click, not a crank, nothing

2. Does the Battery have a full charge??
3. You said you had turn the car over (cranked) several times did it seem to want to start??

Nic:

if you are going to store this vehicle I would suggest you take the battery out..store in a cool dry place...Off the Floor...Check, and keep it charged.
As for Pest control that I would leave up to you to decide.
I would store this out of the Elements.
If you have time to do minor repairs I would...little things...Change Plugs...Wires...Air Filter...etc..

But my biggest concern is that this Escort has been sitting for a while and now you can't get it started...

Nic: please let me do some research into this matter, and try to resolve, or get you some more information.
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Thanks for the suggestions and ideas!

Yes, my ultimate goal is to get it running as quickly as possible. No, I do not want to store it for the winter, or for any amount of time for that matter.

Your questions:

2. The battery is fully charged - once I hooked up the battery cables, all lights came on, the automatic seat belts went back into place, the dome lights came on (in fact, they won't go off! but that's another thread).

3. My wife was with the sellers when she attached the battery cables to start it. Immediately, smoke started coming from the alternator - that is when she noticed the alternator and cables were melted. The car did not start or turn over at all.

I tried jumping the starter solenoid - we got a healthy spark, but nothing from the starter. The seller told my wife, it needs a new solenoid but I have no idea on what that diagnosis is based.

Do you know how to test to see if the solenoid is good?

Hope that helps. Looking forward to any suggestions!

Thanks Sterling_Six!

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Thanks for the suggestions and ideas!

Yes, my ultimate goal is to get it running as quickly as possible. No, I do not want to store it for the winter, or for any amount of time for that matter.

Your questions:

2. The battery is fully charged - once I hooked up the battery cables, all lights came on, the automatic seat belts went back into place, the dome lights came on (in fact, they won't go off! but that's another thread).

3. My wife was with the sellers when she attached the battery cables to start it. Immediately, smoke started coming from the alternator - that is when she noticed the alternator and cables were melted. The car did not start or turn over at all.

I tried jumping the starter solenoid - we got a healthy spark, but nothing from the starter. The seller told my wife, it needs a new solenoid but I have no idea on what that diagnosis is based.

Do you know how to test to see if the solenoid is good?

Hope that helps. Looking forward to any suggestions!

Thanks Sterling_Six!

Nic in Bham

Nic you already did a Diagnosis Test on the Solenoid...You tried to Jump it and nothing happen....lol....It's Bad....

Get a Rebuilt Starter with a Solenoid...and replace it...

Now I need to get myself clear on something...You said your Wife Connected the Pos + cable, and the Neg - cable to the Battery and the Alternator Wires started to MELT>???

well, melted wires is a sign of heat, which is caused from either a poor or loose connection anywhere in the system, however if the new wire you installed is the weak link, it will show the problem.

Also look for an overloaded system.

Nic I found this site that may be a clue.....Ford F150 4.6 V8 4th alternator this year

you may have a bad rebuilt Alternator..and If it had been sitting for a prolong time it may have seized up...and caused an overload.


"""the dome lights came on (in fact, they won't go off! but that's another thread).""""......I had this problem once....You have a Bad Door Switch, that is sticking...spray them with some WD40....If it does not work...disconnect each one...at a time...to see witch on may be the cause.

Will keep working on this...
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Sterling_Six:

You da' man.

I bought a starter relay/solenoid - thought about replacing it. I think I tested the old solenoid correctly*, and it is reading good.

*(Using a circuit tester - put one lead on pos side of battery, put other lead on neg side of solenoid, then reverse. Is that correct? the circuit tester lit up both times, so the starter solenoid is good, right?)

Should I just go ahead and replace the starter relay/solenoid anyway?

I will hit the door switches with WD40 asap. Thanks!

Gonna try to circuit test the starter too.

Again, Sterling_Six,

Thank you.

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