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Old 09-04-2005, 03:18   #1 (permalink)
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Question Help with XT Falcon

Hi everyone,

Can anyone help me out with my XT Falcon?

It has rust on the chassis in the engine bay and on what joins to the front guard. There is also rust where the leaf spring attaches to the body on the rear right.

The rest of the body panels are pretty much perfect. The chrome and interior are also very very good as are the seals and glass.

Can anyone form the photos tell me if it is worth fixing and possible costs? Or should i just use the panels and interior etc. on another car? How easy is it to change the front end on a falcon? Is it welded or bolted on etc.

Any help would be great. I am going to see a panel beater soon but due to work wont be for a few days but looking for a rough idea of if it can be fixed.

Cheers,
Paul
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Old 09-04-2005, 03:30   #2 (permalink)
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Take a look at the xt gt they are currently doing on the grand tourer site at the moment.
It is probly a little more than you are talking about, but I would expect that body resto will be 50k plus, thats before the rest is finished. I would seriously scout out another body unless it is a gt.
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Old 09-04-2005, 04:27   #3 (permalink)
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its a hard call unless you can do it yourself you are probably better off going with xagt advice and spend the time finding a better body, but this can be very hard as these are truly dissapearing.you will be hard pressed to find a shop that will take it on unless you have a super fat wallet there is no cheap way out of this if you want it done properly. the time spent is incredible im talking from experience im in the middle of a similar saga at the moment, not as bad though.and this car had a expensive respray before i got it, its amazing what can be hidden and the shortcuts that are taken to do things to a price. have a good look at the rest of the car even strip it back to see what is lurking under the surface.i would say there would be a weeks work there alone for a good beater and thats being conservative, you always find more probs and it always blows out but say a week it would quite easily cost3-4 thousand unpainted. if you go ahead best way is to find someone and employ them yourself but do you have tools for this work? dont know if this helps or scares the bejesus out of ya
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Old 09-04-2005, 04:31   #4 (permalink)
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Hi everyone,

Can anyone help me out with my XT Falcon?

It has rust on the chassis in the engine bay and on what joins to the front guard. There is also rust where the leaf spring attaches to the body on the rear right.

The rest of the body panels are pretty much perfect. The chrome and interior are also very very good as are the seals and glass.

Can anyone form the photos tell me if it is worth fixing and possible costs? Or should i just use the panels and interior etc. on another car? How easy is it to change the front end on a falcon? Is it welded or bolted on etc.

Any help would be great. I am going to see a panel beater soon but due to work wont be for a few days but looking for a rough idea of if it can be fixed.

Cheers,
Paul
The xt is getting quite rare , repair wont be cheap unless you can do it , repair to primer will be much cheaper if you plan on a respray your self ?
Perhaps the local tafe would be interested in assisting you ?
ask around your mates maybe ..
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Old 09-04-2005, 16:38   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for the replies guys. Looks like it could be some major work ahead of me so i think that i will have to take the panel beater and see what the damage will be...might not be worth the money or work on it.
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Old 09-05-2005, 06:42   #6 (permalink)
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Paul,
very hard to tell from the pics, but it certainly looks repairable.
I deal mostly in mustangs, some Camaro and getting my finger into the Chev pie (57 in shop atm)

A LOT of my work is structural restoration. I work to the stage a customer wants.

There is little i cannot repair. An idea on cost is hard on this sort of thing...esp sight unseen (your pics aren't good enough, and prolly no pic will ever be)
I generally work on $55.00 ph parts extra.

I am located in Wandin and can be reached on 59 619 139

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My guy is charging me at $35 ph, and mine has much less structural damage than that, but my panel work alone, not including any paint work, primer etc added up to approx 10k.
Your car is definantly fixable, as jas says. Anything is fixable for a price. Picking up good second hand parts will be a mission due to not many parts left these days. Sills and outer sheet metal can be had via many repo outlets, but the bits you are needing will have to be sourced from donor cars roughly the same age, most in a similar condition, and the rest will need to be hand fabricated. Sometimes this is a less costly way to go. I would start firstly looking for a front cut including the full sub frame back to just past the gearbox.
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Stick it in the shed for a while, save some cash and then get it fixed. If a better one turns up in the mean time snap it up,

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G'day,
first, XAGT, your guy charges 35ph....1) that is what my gross was on wages incl tax super,workcare,leave etc. 2) you also note you are buying materials.

My rate of 55 includes all materials up to (and including primer) Body colour is extra, as is spray on eurethane (same as on the bottom of mercs/bimmers).

I would actually like to see my rate a little higher, as i know how little i actually make after overheads, but as I generally cater to a small market, i have to compete with others who do similar work. Some of these people actually send me work, as i come from a smash background (they don't) and am equipped to deal with previous smash damage (they aren't) (my shop is car-o-liner equipped)

Given the work sent to me by others in the mustang/camaro game it would be fair to say that i specialise in STRUCTURAL restoration.
On that, if you think $55ph is too dear for structural repairs, shop around....most shops will look for about 75ph and some 100+

To suggest to Paul, that he may need a new front clip, without eyeballing the car, or experience in Unitized structures is very premature....even off a photo.

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Old 09-06-2005, 18:49   #10 (permalink)
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Hello Jason, firstly I was not having a go at your charges. Yes I am paying extra (Cost Price, no mark up) for materials. Do you do the painting? if so what is your painting rate? The shop my car is at also has a car-o-liner. They specialise in Restos of all levels, structural repairs, custom and Smash work. And have been going over 20 years in the same place.
My point was to make a very generalised parralell showing costs of work done professionally on my car. Detailing that I sepnt roughly this on repair work, and none of it was in anywhere near as bad a shape structurally.
Now I also know you can't tell a lot from the pics, but lets be realistic, what you see is usually not all of the bad stuff. It is generally allways worse than that. A front clip would be an excellant bit of stock to have on hand if nescessary. I agree the pics show little and I have not seen the car in person, and have NO experiance in structural repairs at all, but he has asked for opinions and I have given mine. You don't have to agree, neither does he. But this is how I would be approaching it. I would obtain a front clip, in anticipation of needing it either now in the resto process or later for some other reason. Thinking being that if somthing happens to it a few more years down the track and you cannot get bits you are stuffed.

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