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Old 07-28-2008, 18:26   #1 (permalink)
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Making a 514

I shelled my 429 two weeks ago, broke the cam in 3 pieces and shot the rod and piston out the bottom of my oil pan. Here is my question I found another 429 I want to stroke it to a 514 with a roller cam, what special concerns do I need to look at? I know I need to address the oil system on the 385 series motors. Any advice would be greatful!
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Old 07-29-2008, 12:59   #2 (permalink)
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...I found another 429 I want to stroke it to a 514 with a roller cam, what special concerns do I need to look at? I know I need to address the oil system on the 385 series motors. Any advice would be greatful!
The oiling system design in the 385 Series (429/460) engines is not at all a bad one and it perplexes me how this rumor might have come to be. In fact, Ford Racing's 514 crate motor (actually a 521) uses a bone stock oiling system with HV pump and that engine generates 625 hp. You can build a 514 and use a bone stock oiling system and have a fine running engine. Also, as with any high hp racing engine of any brand, addressing oiling (etc) is always a good idea.

How you approach your 514 build depends on what you are trying to accomplish with the build. Is this a race-only engine? Street & strip? Marine? Must it run on pump gas as what is the octane available in your region? Please give some more details as to your intentions.

As I understand it, the 460 was originally designed with the intent of eventually making it a 500 cubic inch engine so as to go after Cadillac's 500 inch engine, but this never came to fruition due to the fuel shortage of the 1970's and also growing emmissions concerns. My point is that because of the engine's design, the 514 is a super easy and reliable build to do. But in regards to a specific combo, it still helps to know precisely what you want to get from such an engine.

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I want to build a really strong street/strip motor. It mostly a street car that I drive 10 to 15 times a year (65 Galaxie). The 429 that was in it was a great engine until I ruined it. I'm running a wieand 2x4 tunnel ram and I don't know what cam I had in it, the motor was in the car when I bought it 3 years ago. I want to do this 514 right with a roller cam, lifters. Do you have to prep the block special for a roller cam and lifters? The heads that I have are the c9ve-a that were ported with stainless steel valves. These head were on my 429 are the worth keeping or would aluminum heads better out of the box? I would like to run on pump gas but I want 500hp so If I have jump to 100 or 110 For as much as I drive her for the hp I would do it.
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I want to build a really strong street/strip motor. It mostly a street car that I drive 10 to 15 times a year (65 Galaxie). The 429 that was in it was a great engine until I ruined it. I'm running a wieand 2x4 tunnel ram and I don't know what cam I had in it, the motor was in the car when I bought it 3 years ago. I want to do this 514 right with a roller cam, lifters. Do you have to prep the block special for a roller cam and lifters? The heads that I have are the c9ve-a that were ported with stainless steel valves. These head were on my 429 are the worth keeping or would aluminum heads better out of the box? I would like to run on pump gas but I want 500hp so If I have jump to 100 or 110 For as much as I drive her for the hp I would do it.
The block does not necessarily need to be prepared to accomodate aftermarket roller lifters. That being said, note that a properly planned pump gas 514 stroker combo that generates 500 hp can be done in your sleep and with a hydraulic lifter camshaft, and most certainly with a tunnel ram.

If you are on a budget, then well ported C9VE iron heads and a hydraulic cam can meet your needs. If you want to spend some money and spring for a roller cam valve train upgrade--which by itself is an instant $1000 more than the hydraulic lifter valve train--you can do this, but my personal opinion is it would not be money wisely spent for getting the most bang-for-buck 500 hp pump gas stroker. You could certainly get more than 500 hp, but regardless of power output also remember that maintenance goes up and reliability drops.

Lastly, if you have a standard bore block, then go just 0.030" over and build the 501. There is little hp gained from the 514 overbore (0.080") since these engines have big bores to begin with, and the majority of power comes from stroking them....so save your block for future overbores.

Starting with a pump gas friendly, iron headed, hydraulic lifter valve train engine, generally:
  • Std bore block, cleaned and magged, square decked to 10.295" deck height, block oiling mods as outlined on the High Flow Dynamics Technical Pages
  • SCAT 501 stroker kit with cast 4.14" crankshaft, 6.700" forged rods, and 1.52" Diamond forged -32cc dished pistons (compression ratio will be about 9.6:1 and pump gas friendly)
  • New oil pump std volume or high volume (I would opt for the HV pump, but that's just me)
  • Brand name double-roller timing chain
  • CompCams camshaft grind # 296AH-8 and accompanying valve springs, 10* retainers and locks
  • Stainless steel valves in those C9VE heads
  • Recurved Ford Dura-Spark distributor, or aftermarket
  • (2) Holley 750 carbs on that tunnel ram
  • tubular headers
Well built and in good tune, the above should manage 500hp, and then some. Probably the important thing here is that the C9VE heads are well ported. 91 octane premium pump gas would likely be necesary in that big car of yours.

Hope this helps,

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Thanks for the help! This puts me in the right direction that I want to go.
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P.S. Also, 1.73 ratio BBF Crane Gold Series roller rockers, or Ford Motorsport 1.73 BBF roller rockers (made by Crane), 1.900" effective stud length 7/16" rocker studs for the valve train, guideplates and hardened pushrods. Pushrod length is the last thing to be determined based on the rest of the parts used, but generally the pushrods are longer than OEM 429/460 pushrods and the exhausts are usually longer than the intakes.

Note that I am recommending the use of brand name parts and NOT cheapo fly-by-night ebay parts. Putting such parts in an exotic engine may seem like saving a few bucks at the time but will bite you in the ass down the road and likely destory your whole engine in the process.

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You get what you payfore! What is better scat or eagle, I have heard good and bad stuff about both of them. I have been on your website what would a 502 short block run?
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For what you are intending to build, either manufacturer's components will do. Regardless of which brand you choose, it's always best to measure all spec's prior to installation and correct if necessary; this is custom engine building. Generally, we work with SCAT components.

Our prices vary depending on build specifics and one cannot simply quote a price for a "shortblock." Also, we are in California and depending where you are the shipping could add to the cost of the build. Call if you're really interested and we'll discuss. Also, I'd be more than happy to point you in the direction of a reputable builder that may be closer to your area if you're not on the left coast somewhere.

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I live in Omaha Nebraska, Do you know anybody around here?
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I live in Omaha Nebraska, Do you know anybody around here?
Bret Powell at PFC Engines os the closest I can get to Nebraska. Iberia MO, about 350 miles from you.

PFC Engines 573-793-2177

There's also Terry Bumgarner at Bumgarner Racing in Springfield, MO. Again, about 350 miles away.

Bumgarner Racing 417-880-5015

These guys are very high-end Ford engine builders and their pricing may reflect this, but so will the workmanship that goes into your build

Paul

p.s.: I'll may see if there's anyone closer, but these guys are GOOD.
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