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Old 09-29-2004, 03:47   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys, Just been trying to find out info about automotive paints and havent had much luck. I'm about to go shopping around and getting quotes to get my car totally resprayed but I want to have a bit of knoweledge behind me before rushing off and getting it done by the first guy I go too.

Basically I want to know the differences between enamel and 2pac and what sorta finish both have etc and what can be done with them like pearls etc. I have a fair idea about it all but I dont want to go in there looking like a noob and getting rorted.

I've got a fair idea of what I want to do, basically I want to keep it the original colour which is cobalt blue and if it's possible put a pearl through it like a silver, gold, green or purple.

I'm budgeting about 4k at the most, theres a few little dents I want taken out and I'm not planning on doing the prep-work so I'm hoping 4k will see me through ok.
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cobalt blue already has pearl in it ,well mine does,it turns purple in the sun
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cobalt blue already has pearl in it ,well mine does,it turns purple in the sun
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I realise it already has a sort of pearl in it, it's not really a pearl from what I've been told tho.

Either way I want it to look different to every other cobalt blue out there
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ive got the champaigne colour, its 9different colours, in direct sun looks more goldy, night looks silvery. normal lighting it looks its standard colour
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You sound like you want a 3 layer pearl. Big $$$$. 3 layer pearl i base coat, then pearl with clear, then clear. Expensive because of the extra labour and degree of skill required o do correctly. Incorrectly done 3 layer pearl will look good far away and have dark and light sections close up.

Unless you want a very strong pearl effect (which more often than not looks crap) just go with you basic 2 layer pearls where the pearl is added to the basecoat. You can add quite an amount to it to get more effect. Plus its alot cheaper to get done and repair.

The chamelon/champaigne base coats are very expensive, most cost around the $800-1000/L, althought a full respray will only use about 1.5-2L.
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Hey guys, Just been trying to find out info about automotive paints and havent had much luck. I'm about to go shopping around and getting quotes to get my car totally resprayed but I want to have a bit of knoweledge behind me before rushing off and getting it done by the first guy I go too.

Basically I want to know the differences between enamel and 2pac and what sorta finish both have etc and what can be done with them like pearls etc. I have a fair idea about it all but I dont want to go in there looking like a noob and getting rorted.

I've got a fair idea of what I want to do, basically I want to keep it the original colour which is cobalt blue and if it's possible put a pearl through it like a silver, gold, green or purple.

I'm budgeting about 4k at the most, theres a few little dents I want taken out and I'm not planning on doing the prep-work so I'm hoping 4k will see me through ok.
2 pac and enamel are the same thing.....when you see signs that say "oven baked enamelling" that means the spray booth is also an oven that will 'cook' your paint for roughly and hour at 60* deg after they have sprayed it. The car comes out dry and u can drive it.

Basically there are two paint types - 2k (2pac) and acrylic. Not many panel shops will use acrylic but there are some guys that swear by it. Acrylic is easier to spray but it will need to be buffed to achieve a high gloss shine. It is also not as durable as 2k. Personally after using both acrylic and 2k, I prefer 2k.

2k is a two part painting system. Firstly you have the basecoat which is the colour coat and has a matt finish. This is sprayed first. Secondly you have the clearcoat which is mixed with a hardener (just like when you add hardener to body filler). The clearcoat is sprayed over the basecoat and you will get an instant shine.......it's awesome stuff when you actually see it going on. Generally after the clear coat the panel shop will bake the car in and oven to harden the paint (although it will also air dry but takes heaps longer). The result is a durable, high gloss finish that in most instances wont even need to be buffed.

When it comes to pearls, you'll find most paints already have them, just in smaller quantites. Pearls are basically tinters, and can add a tinge of colour(s) to the base colour. They also make paint more expensive. For example 2ltrs (1lt base / 1lt pearl) of my old red/purple pearl colour cost me about $215 to buy! Personally, I'd steer clear of pearls they'll just cost you more and just say you smashed your front guard, you'd have to paint the whole side just to match the panels. I also think they are a bit old skool where as 'flip' paint is the new way to go if you want the change colour effect. Otherwise just go for a nice metallic colour (which you already have)....IMO it will look much better. All part of the reason why my car is now Cypress Blue metallic I got over pearls.

if your gonna keep it the same colour, $4k should be enough for paint and repairs. Hope it helps.

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You sound like you want a 3 layer pearl. Big $$$$. 3 layer pearl i base coat, then pearl with clear, then clear. Expensive because of the extra labour and degree of skill required o do correctly. Incorrectly done 3 layer pearl will look good far away and have dark and light sections close up.

Unless you want a very strong pearl effect (which more often than not looks crap) just go with you basic 2 layer pearls where the pearl is added to the basecoat. You can add quite an amount to it to get more effect. Plus its alot cheaper to get done and repair.

The chamelon/champaigne base coats are very expensive, most cost around the $800-1000/L, althought a full respray will only use about 1.5-2L.

yep 3 layer pearls are old skool and what i had on my first paint job. your exactly right, not many people can spray them properly and in the sun you will get the light/dark/light/dark effect along the side of the car due to the variations in spray gun pressure. It looks sh*t. There were some really badly done pearls at autosalon this year.....nice bright colours but the pearls wrecked it.
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