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Old 06-21-2003, 21:28   #1 (permalink)
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2 VK's vs EA Round 2

Last night me and two mates who both own VK commodores went racing again. One of the Vk's is a manual with extractors and exhaust, the other has extractors is a Auto and 350 Holley Carby on it. My car has 2.5 zorst, XR6 Cam and pod filter.

Well they are both STILL beating my ass off to 60-70km. In the first few seconds of take off I'm standing there looking stupid, while they are about 15 meters down the road. Then the ford power kicks in at around the 70km mark and by about 100km, I've overtaken both of them.

Now this absolutely annoys me that they get so much of a lead at the start. I got a Auto, is there anything other then a manual conversionthat will fix this lag at the start? Cheers

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Old 06-21-2003, 21:50   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 2 VK's vs EA Round 2

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Last night me and two mates who both own VK commodores went racing again. One of the Vk's is a manual with extractors and exhaust, the other has extractors is a manual and 350 Holley Carby on it. My car has 2.5 zorst, XR6 Cam and pod filter.

Well they are both STILL beating my ass off to 60-70km. In the first few seconds of take off I'm standing there looking stupid, while they are about 15 meters down the road. Then the ford power kicks in at around the 70km mark and by about 100km, I've overtaken both of them.

Now this absolutely annoys me that they get so much of a lead at the start. I got a Auto, is there anything other then a manual conversionthat will fix this lag at the start? Cheers
i take it u got a 3 speed auto?..maybe a change in diff ratio..i dunno..or 4 speed auto
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Old 06-21-2003, 22:26   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 2 VK's vs EA Round 2

Of course, this was on private property....

A manual conversion would be a big help, as well as a diff change.

Also, did you 'stage' at the start ie: Foot hard on the brake, foot on the throttle, keep accelerating until the car starts to wheelspin or creep forward, then back off slightly. This makes a huge difference
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An XR6 diff with 3.45 ratio will help you off the line quite a bit. Other than that, make sure you are stalling the auto up before taking off. I wouldn't have thought the VK's had any chance at any stage of the race.
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manual vk would have the advantage off the line for sure. stalling up the converter before launch will help but diff ratio change will be a big help but will kill top speed. is your auto 3or4speed?
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I wouldn't have thought the VK's had any chance at any stage of the race.
I would think the same, but my brother's first car was a VK. It had extractors and exhaust and used to hammer - even for an auto. I think the fuel injected ones go a lot harder.
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It's a 4 speed Auto, round one was with a 3 speed Auto without any mods(they were about 20+ meters ahead then with my car only catching up really late with the 3speed). Oh yeah I forgot to mention I don't have any extractors, but I don't think will help me too much.

I don't think my car is a bad performer for an EA, as i've driven 2 other EA's(one manual with sick motor) and my car seems faster then them however the manual was defiantely better in the 0-40km.

Also there is no point stalling the tranny up as it wants to start moving around the 1000RPM mark and I don't want to put too much strain on the tranny.

Can I assume the EA's don't have much torque/kw down low in the RPM range? Maybe as qwik said I need a higher stall convertor. My diff is a 3.23 but is clunky, so I might look into replacing that as well.

I want to make sure I kick their asses by round 3, I'm sick of losing in the lower speeds.. they think Fords suck and I gotta stick it up them.

Oh yeah, oops I wrote that both were manual... one of the VK's was a Auto, the one with the extractors and holley.

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Re: 2 VK's vs EA Round 2

without going the manual route, the diff is really what needs doing.
also extractors will help a little.
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Re: 2 VK's vs EA Round 2

extractors will definately help, seeingst you have the xr6 cam. and are you applying the brakes when stalling the transmission up? you shouldnt have the car trying to move until 1500rpm or so... stalling it up will definately help you get off the line quicker.

can i ask how you went from 3spd to 4spd? was the car originally 3 or 4spd?

diff ratio is also a big player.

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