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Old 10-19-2005, 01:47   #1 (permalink)
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EL myth??

Ive been told that a stock EL can run quicker than a EL Xr6. i heard with a few simple enigne mods like extractors,exhaust system and a good air filter you can out run a stock EL XR6. is this true or not?.or is the guy at Autobarn pulling my leg
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:08   #2 (permalink)
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Re: EL myth??

Yeah maybe, but what if you also did these mods to an XR6??
Don't forget the XR6 will have a lower diff.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:55   #3 (permalink)
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Re: EL myth??

and a Tickford cam... and a 'sports' exhaust

generally, an XR is a standard EA, EB, ED, EF etc, with a few small mods that most car enthusiasts do to their cars anyway (Filter, Exhaust, Cam)

so in otherwords, yes, if you run a full exhaust system, filter, cam and possibly a new diff, you will run with, or outrun an XR
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Old 10-19-2005, 07:27   #4 (permalink)
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Re: EL myth??

In my mum's stock EL faclon wagon auto running on 98 octane, I've out run a Manual XR6 to the speed limit (70kmh). By that stage he was pulling it back, but he didn't make it ahead before I backed off. Base model sedans have a much better chance because they are a bit lighter than the XR6, but if an auto wagon can do it, anything can.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:55   #5 (permalink)
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Re: EL myth??

I think he's pulling your leg... a mates el xr6 had an engine rebuild with only a shaved head....eevrything else on the car was stock...he pulled a 14.5 down the 1/4 mile....im just thinking with extractors exhaust and decent air intake he can manage a 14 flat...and probabaly a 13.5 with a decent cam... all youll need to do to an el xr6 is boost up the timing a few degrees and it will fly past the stock falcon engine...
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Re: EL myth??

It's not a myth.
By simply bolting a turbo on a EL GLi it will beat a EL XR6..

I would say he was talking BS to you.
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Re: EL myth??

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In my mum's stock EL faclon wagon auto running on 98 octane, I've out run a Manual XR6 to the speed limit (70kmh). By that stage he was pulling it back, but he didn't make it ahead before I backed off. Base model sedans have a much better chance because they are a bit lighter than the XR6, but if an auto wagon can do it, anything can.

This should be expected to this speed....see how you fare to 100kmh?

The auto will run out to about 60 kmh (well my eb does anyway), whereas, the manual would have needed a power pause for the change into second at about 40kmh. If the owner of the manual can drive, has the balls to do it, and can afford the clutch if he does it repeateadly, he could pump some revs into it, dump the clutch on the green and take off in second...then you WILL be toasted. :)

Been there done it!

It is common knowledge that low down, auto's will out run a manual, but once in second or third look out!!!

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Re: EL myth??

First runs to almost 80 in the sedan, 75 or so in the wagon (before i discovered the advantages of holding it in 1st). Remember that from EF onwards, there's another 700 rpm or so to play with, a taller diff ratio and probably bigger (outside diameter) tyres.
I've noticed that mums car does seem exceptionally quick for what it is- outrun more than enough commodores and falcons (sedans and wagons) plus other cars...definately not a monday/friday car.
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Re: EL myth??

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Old 10-28-2005, 01:55   #10 (permalink)
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Re: EL myth??

Beleive it or not (because i couldnt beleive it either), i have been 100% lineball dragging an el XR6 (manua, which has 2.5 redback exaust and 110 thousand kilometers on the clock) in my stock manual ED classic (157 thousand kilometers on the clock, about 30 seconds after startup and the xr6 was already running for 10 mins). the ED did not give an INCH to the xr6 (which is in perfect mech order) in gear or gearchange. the xr was even chirping into second which shows he was not holding back. Put this down to the ED being a little lighter or whatever but i was rapped.... couldnt beleive it! mabey the guy putting my engine together in the factory got bored and changed somthing! but he did something right! And yes, i have been in plenty of el xr6s and i know this one i was dragging is in perfect running order (as I know the owner very well).
But even driving a stock EL xr6 i have dragged stock auto falcons and not really got away until about 130km/h, and even then, not by much. With only 7 more kw of power over a standard el falcon, thats only 4% more power....nothing. I garentee that with just extracters and a good exaust ull do more than keep up with a stock el xr6. This all comes from experience and being around plenty of ELs before, in PLENTY of drags!
If all your interested in is straight line speed and winning drags, (and not looks, handling and braking), then save the $4K of an EL xr6 and get a stock falcon (manual preferably ), spend the $4K change on mods (and mabey LSD to get off the line), and NO stock xr6 will touch you.
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