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Old 03-11-2005, 20:05   #1 (permalink)
Mark Olson
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Re: Starting problem; dealer stumped.

woof <woof@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
> Since new, my 2002 has a starting problem every couple of weeks. It can
> happen in freezing cold, or hot weather, or first thing in the morning or
> after driving for a while and stopping for gas or groceries. One turns the
> key and nothing happens - just silence. However, the lights, radio, etc, are
> still working. After 5 to 20 minutes of attempts, it starts like nothing had
> ever happened. The dealer "cleaned the ignition switch contacts" to no
> avail. Of course, it starts fine at their shop. After several visits, they
> said they do not know what is wrong and I will have to wait until it will
> not start permanently so they can diagnose it and, perhaps, replace the
> starter. (Meanwile the warantee is over - sound familiar?). Love the car but
> my wife now refuses to drive it for fear of being stranded if she ever stops
> on the way home.
> I would be grateful for any ideas or tales of similar problems!


Sounds like what happens when you try to start the car with an
unprogrammed PATS key. As an experiment, I tried to start my 2000
Focus with a new key after it had been duplicated on the key cutter,
but before it had been programmed. I expected the starter motor to
turn but the computer to withold sparks, but what happened was
exactly nothing, the starter motor would not even crank.

I suspect either the chip in your PATS key may be interrmittently failing,
or there may be a loose connection to the telemetry coil surrounding the
ignition switch cylinder. You might try using the 2nd key for a while
and see if the problem goes away, if so, you could be pretty sure it
was the key itself.

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Old 03-11-2005, 23:02   #2 (permalink)
Tony Wesley
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Re: Starting problem; dealer stumped.


Michael Heiming wrote:
> In alt.autos.ford.focus Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>:
> > I've always attributed it to interference caused by my Mobil Speed

Pass
> > on my keyring.


> Needed to check what "Speed Pass" is about, never heard.;)


http://www.speedpass.com/

An RFID chip in a little wand that lets me buy gas by waving the wand
by a Speedpass reader in the gas pump. The purcahse is charged to my
Mobil credit card.

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Old 03-11-2005, 23:06   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Re: Starting problem; dealer stumped.

"Michael Heiming" wrote:
> In alt.autos.ford.focus Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>:
>
> > Michael Heiming wrote:

> &nbsp;>> In alt.autos.ford.focus Tony Wesley
> &lt;tonywesley@gmail.com&gt;:
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>> > I've always attributed it to interference
> caused by my Mobil Speed
> [..]
>
> &nbsp;>> Needed to check what "Speed Pass" is about, never
> heard.;)
>
> > http://www.speedpass.com/

>
> > An RFID chip in a little wand that lets me buy gas by waving

> the wand
> > by a Speedpass reader in the gas pump. The purcahse is

> charged to my
> > Mobil credit card.

>
> Yep, found it asking google about the thing. Quite nice, but
> found out, I'm much more comfortable paying directly, don't
> see
> this way how often you need to fill it up unlike credit
> cards/etc
> show you later exactly.;(
>
> --
> Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94)
> mail: echo zvpunry@urvzvat.qr | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
> #bofh excuse 245: The Borg tried to assimilate your
> system. Resistance is futile.


The dealer replaced the starter, yet the problem continues. I replaced
the starter relay. No luck either. I am now about to replace the
neutral safety switch. Does anyone know where I can find this thing?

Thanks for your help!

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