rsd

1995 taurus 3.0 v6,car died would not restart.checked computer
codes:211((pip),and 212(loss of ign. diag. monitor.short to ground in
spark output) checked ign.control module,and coil,both are good.any
suggestions what to check is appreciated

pickone@kato.com

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:58:10 -0500, "rsd" <rdaltonsr@yahoo.com> wrote:

>1995 taurus 3.0 v6,car died would not restart.checked computer
>codes:211((pip),and 212(loss of ign. diag. monitor.short to ground in
>spark output) checked ign.control module,and coil,both are good.any
>suggestions what to check is appreciated
how did ya check it

hurc ast

Tom Adkins

rsd wrote:
> 1995 taurus 3.0 v6,car died would not restart.checked computer
> codes:211((pip),and 212(loss of ign. diag. monitor.short to ground in
> spark output) checked ign.control module,and coil,both are good.any
> suggestions what to check is appreciated
>

How did you check the ignition module? The only sure test is with a "known good"
module. Loss of IDM and PIP is usually a good sign of module or dist. pickup failure.
With the problems with the Ford TFI module, thats probably the culprit.
Tom

pick one

"Tom Adkins" <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> rsd wrote:
>> 1995 taurus 3.0 v6,car died would not restart.checked computer
>> codes:211((pip),and 212(loss of ign. diag. monitor.short to ground in
>> spark output) checked ign.control module,and coil,both are good.any
>> suggestions what to check is appreciated
>>
>
> How did you check the ignition module? The only sure test is with a "known
> good" module. Loss of IDM and PIP is usually a good sign of module or dist.
> pickup failure.
> With the problems with the Ford TFI module, thats probably the culprit.
> Tom

What do you mean? Voltage drop tests will do nicely. If you have a meter that
has frequency functions will work nicely also.

Tom Adkins

pick one wrote:
> "Tom Adkins" <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:5dmdnczHCtsJSaXfRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>
>>rsd wrote:
>>
>>>1995 taurus 3.0 v6,car died would not restart.checked computer
>>>codes:211((pip),and 212(loss of ign. diag. monitor.short to ground in
>>>spark output) checked ign.control module,and coil,both are good.any
>>>suggestions what to check is appreciated
>>>
>>
>> How did you check the ignition module? The only sure test is with a "known
>>good" module. Loss of IDM and PIP is usually a good sign of module or dist.
>>pickup failure.
>> With the problems with the Ford TFI module, thats probably the culprit.
>>Tom
>
>
> What do you mean? Voltage drop tests will do nicely. If you have a meter that
> has frequency functions will work nicely also.
>
>

Lots of folk here dont know how to do a voltage drop test. I know how to do it
correctly, you know how to do it correctly, but they may not. And it's not really that
accurate, especially on the IDM circuit in the module. I try to offer a down and
dirty way for approxomate diagnosis, unless it will harm the vehicle or the poster.
The easiest way, in this case, is to connect a "known good" module, given the high
failure rate of TFI modules on these vehicles.
Tom

pick one

"Tom Adkins" <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> pick one wrote:
>> "Tom Adkins" <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:5dmdnczHCtsJSaXfRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>>
>>>rsd wrote:
>>>
>>>>1995 taurus 3.0 v6,car died would not restart.checked computer
>>>>codes:211((pip),and 212(loss of ign. diag. monitor.short to ground in
>>>>spark output) checked ign.control module,and coil,both are good.any
>>>>suggestions what to check is appreciated
>>>>
>>>
>>> How did you check the ignition module? The only sure test is with a "known
>>> good" module. Loss of IDM and PIP is usually a good sign of module or dist.
>>> pickup failure.
>>> With the problems with the Ford TFI module, thats probably the culprit.
>>>Tom
>>
>>
>> What do you mean? Voltage drop tests will do nicely. If you have a meter that
>> has frequency functions will work nicely also.
>
> Lots of folk here dont know how to do a voltage drop test. I know how to do
> it correctly, you know how to do it correctly, but they may not. And it's not
> really that accurate, especially on the IDM circuit in the module.

Not accurate? I suppose a resistance test is? What happens in a DC circuit that
has an open?

> I try to offer a down and dirty way for approxomate diagnosis, unless it will
> harm the vehicle or the poster.
> The easiest way, in this case, is to connect a "known good" module, given
> the high failure rate of TFI modules on these vehicles.
> Tom

rsd

I took both the coil and icm to parts store for testing.The only way to
check with known good part,is to spend $80.00 and buy one and possibly get
stuck with something i may not need.With a PIP code ya think I may be
looking at bad pickup coil? When this happened the car jerked a couple of
times and just shutdown.BTW I appreciate all the input!thanks

rsd

UPDATE: I pulled the distributor,replaced it,including pickup coil,icm.Car
ran great for about two blocks,then developed same symptoms,total loss of
spark