Cool Jet

Frank from Deeetroit wrote:
> Dizzy,
>
> I made no mistakes.
>
> 40 hours a week times 52 weeks a year equals 2080 hours worked, base pay.
> Read your check stub to make sure your boss is not ripping you off.
>
> 7.65% is any employers FICA contribution foreach employee, just call your
> payroll department. You should know what your boss takes out of your
> paycheck,eh?
>
> As far as my "well over" comment, fringe benefits are paid for by your
> employer, that cost plus the cost of your hourly wages combine to make the
> total cost the employer pays the employee. Your payroll department and/or
> your union rep should have explained all of this to you when you began your
> employment. In the case of the $51,000.00 base hourly wage, these other
> costs will account for the total cost being over $65,000.00
>
> Frank
>
> "dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> > Umm... How do you get 2080 hours in a year "not including holidays
> > and overtime"? Mistakes like this make like this make anything you
> > say suspicious.

Frank, Dizzy has once again demonstrated that his News Group name is
well-earned! *lol* Methinks his name was chosen by the group members,
based on the quality of his comments!

 

Sean Elkins

In article <43DA7C41.7040001@texeme.com>,
John Bailo <jabailo@texeme.com> wrote:

> Sean Elkins wrote:
>
> > There's plenty of blame to spread around here: management and workers
> > both had a hand in killing the American auto industry.
>
> Uh...last I checked, the number one car in America, like in 1965, is the
> Chevrolet.
>
> And BTW -- I am buying all the GM stock I can -- I think it's ahead of
> the curve, and poised for a resurgence.
>
Uh..what curve would that be?

Sean Elkins

In article <M84Cf.793$qg.140@news01.roc.ny>,
"Steve Stone" <zzspfleck@citlink.netzz> wrote:

> > Oh, and if you can't raise a kid on $50K you might consider a visit to
> > Appalachia to see how it's done for 1/3 of that amount.
>
> Geese, My daughters college tuition is $11k per semester. Where the hell did
> you get that number ?
> You can't live on Wal-Mart wages unless you call a cardboard box home.
>
>

Did you ever consider telling your daughter "NO!" when she asked you to
pay $11K per semester for college? You can buy an equally thorough
liberal indoctrination at much more reasonable rates.

Where did I get that amount? From conversations with my relatives and
friends from high school.

Sean Elkins

In article <1138282576.896897.160990@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve Stone wrote:
> > > Oh, and if you can't raise a kid on $50K you might consider a visit to
> > > Appalachia to see how it's done for 1/3 of that amount.
> >
> > Geese, My daughters college tuition is $11k per semester. Where the hell did
> > you get that number ?
> > You can't live on Wal-Mart wages unless you call a cardboard box home.
>
> Put it in perspective. This guy Sean is the type of person who shoots
> deer and then runs after them until they fall.

Reading comprehension problems, Richard? I wait until AFTER they fall
then WALK to them.

Sean Elkins

In article <1138250548.768556.196500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:

giant snip

> >
> > When someone swings as far to the extreme as this response it dilutes
> > the reasonable things they otherwise say.
>
> Oh you're mr. moderate. No room for that in a climate where thousands
> of American Citizens are being sent to their deaths at young ages while
> those in power are facing felony charges. Maybe you're willing to be a
> doormat for the excesses of our current leadership... but that's your
> choice. Don't blame me.

Nope, I'm generally a conservative, although I do take what might be
called very liberal stands on civil rights and freedom of speech. What I
am NOT is an idealogue or partisan extremist.

You obviously despise all Republicans---one wonders if you are
completely enamored of all Democrats? Or can you see that both parties
leadership exists only for the purpose of self-perpetuation and that
both parties contain some fringe factions that don't reflect their
average members?

BTW, felony charges don't only happen to Republicans. That pendulum just
happens to have swung to the right at the moment.
>
> >

>
> >
> > Oh, and if you can't raise a kid on $50K you might consider a visit to
> > Appalachia to see how it's done for 1/3 of that amount.
>
> OK my man... and the economy of Appalachia resembles the economy of the
> fifth largest metropolitan area (BW) in the Unites States in what way
> again? Ahh typical neocon psychosis... only look at the part that
> confirms what the voices in your head (and the O'Reilly Factor) are
> telling you.

That last sentence was completely inane and totally non-responsive. In
your world does 2 +2 = fudge?

So you live in the fifth largest metropolitan area in the US and your
wages aren't sufficient there? Have you considered living somewhere else
besides the fifth largest metropolitan area in the US? Maybe you can
earn a decent living elsewhere.

If I lived in a toilet I wouldn't have the right to complain about the
smell. If you live in an area that is beyond your means then perhaps you
should relocate to one that isn't. They do have U-Haul in your town,
don't they?

Ray O

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:Pp2cna-q77B6NUfeUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> Not either. The good Lord made it possible for me to be able to afford
> five cars . '41 Continental convertible, '64 Mustang V8 convertible, 72
> LTD Brougham HT, 83 Continental Mark VI Signature, 05 Mustang GT
> convertible and a 06 Lincoln Zephyr. LOL
>
> mike hunt
>

How do you like the Zephyr compared to the Lincoln LS?
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Frank from Deeeetroit

I am beginning to see that, feel bad to have a battle of wits with an
un-armed individual.


"Cool Jet" <pkelly49@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138411283.863486.236740@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Frank from Deeetroit wrote:
>> Dizzy,
>>
>> I made no mistakes.
>>
>> 40 hours a week times 52 weeks a year equals 2080 hours worked, base pay.
>> Read your check stub to make sure your boss is not ripping you off.
>>
>> 7.65% is any employers FICA contribution foreach employee, just call your
>> payroll department. You should know what your boss takes out of your
>> paycheck,eh?
>>
>> As far as my "well over" comment, fringe benefits are paid for by your
>> employer, that cost plus the cost of your hourly wages combine to make
>> the
>> total cost the employer pays the employee. Your payroll department
>> and/or
>> your union rep should have explained all of this to you when you began
>> your
>> employment. In the case of the $51,000.00 base hourly wage, these other
>> costs will account for the total cost being over $65,000.00
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> "dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> > Umm... How do you get 2080 hours in a year "not including holidays
>> > and overtime"? Mistakes like this make like this make anything you
>> > say suspicious.
>
> Frank, Dizzy has once again demonstrated that his News Group name is
> well-earned! *lol* Methinks his name was chosen by the group members,
> based on the quality of his comments!
>

Learning Richard

Sean Elkins wrote:
> In article <1138250548.768556.196500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> giant snip
>
> > >
> > > When someone swings as far to the extreme as this response it dilutes
> > > the reasonable things they otherwise say.
> >
> > Oh you're mr. moderate. No room for that in a climate where thousands
> > of American Citizens are being sent to their deaths at young ages while
> > those in power are facing felony charges. Maybe you're willing to be a
> > doormat for the excesses of our current leadership... but that's your
> > choice. Don't blame me.
>
> Nope, I'm generally a conservative, although I do take what might be
> called very liberal stands on civil rights and freedom of speech. What I
> am NOT is an idealogue or partisan extremist.

Flip flopper.

>
> You obviously despise all Republicans---one wonders if you are
> completely enamored of all Democrats? Or can you see that both parties

I can't stand it when crooks take my hard-earned money and sign
multi-million dollar pork barrel projects in exchange for hundred of
thousands in campaign contributions.

> leadership exists only for the purpose of self-perpetuation and that

Point? none.

> both parties contain some fringe factions that don't reflect their
> average members?

Republicans are completely in power, proving the assertion that
'absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

JayR

mm NO that's NOT my opinion- it's from DIRECT and factual experience
from WORKING IN THE FACTORY and with management itself... How are you
going to tell me that I don't know that the quality control standards
are for a place that I WORK FOR? I saw what went on, on the lines
(which I worked also), in multiple departments 12hrs/day 6days/wk
365/days/yr. I was also part of the quality control group that delt
with defective parts from numerous production lines etc... I KNOW what
I'm talking about. Not to rub it in your face or anything, but come on
guy, think before you post something like that. Even the janitors that
work in said factories know a much more about what goes on that someone
reading over hyped reports in the mass media etc. Try talking with
people that see what goes on and over hears management making all kinds
of strange and shady deals to cut production costs and increase
profits, at the detriment to the buyer.
Either way, I no longer give much of a hoot about the whole thing.
It's a classic case of what's wrong with this whole
ultra-aggressive-pro-capitalism hegemony- selling out the citizens of
this country for the almighty dollar. Hrmm I bet that last statement
will spark up more noobish rants and tangents... haha good day.

Wait... on second thought... GM, Ford, Chevy etc... they actually can
and could make some quality products, but the stigma of "cheap and
profitable" patriotic ideologies are holding them back. Ford's GT40
remake (even though it uses a super charger), Chevy's Z06, aren't
exactly my fav sports cars, but they are a testament to the quality
standards that they COULD impose on lower tier models and and ideology
they should start forcing the rest of the world to see: that indeed
they CAN and WILL start producing world competitive and possibly
leading automotive technologies. It's a matter of shaking off that old
iron-worker methodology of lower quality, mismanaged, all-for-profit
mass production Vs mass production, higher quality, and Sigma Six
management style accountability. blah blah blah blah...

JayR

Hrmm... how do I put this w/o sounding like a worker fanboy and
anti-management yahoo: Okay how's about this way - see the problem with
that line of thinking, (which makes sense to a large degree) is that
it's sort of like this whole salary cap fiasco with professional
sports... someone reveals the salaries of these wild ghetto-collegiate
black folks and everyone goes NUTS! The media and the mass outlets find
something to cause false (keyword) controversy over. Yes False, for the
simple fact that 1) I think the system as a WHOLE is overpaid, and 2)
People should be pointing the finger at the OWNERS that PAY these types
of salaries, and lastly 3) the Chairmen! These are the people that make
the system what it is; corrupt and hugely inflated. You think that
paying A-Rod $250MILLION is a lot huh? THINK about how much you're
making if you're the owner and you CAN afford to pay him that much? WHY
isn't someone talking about these greedy old white men (dare I say
Republic...nagh!) that enforce charging $70/ticket, $8 for piss watered
down "beer," 1000% profits on things like nachos and hotdogs,
outrageous parking fees etc... Nobody wants to talk about that side of
the business do they? It's all "blame them high jumping negros, spics
and what ever the like" for ACCEPTING too much money! Should they
regulate themselves and all the while the owners, chairs, trustees,
city officials, reps, etc. all pocket a BILLION dollar sum(s)?
Now take that and relate it to the whole autoworker's strive. "65
DOLLARS/HR!" The headlines shout from the heavens. And People go NUTS,
OMFG those stupid, unskilled, uneducated, dirty etc. workers are
RUINING the auto manufacturer economy! Greedy MF's! It's the SAME
applicable hype as with the said athletes. Few are making $65/hr TOTAL,
and MANY managers are starting around $50/yr at even the lowest levels!
What about the top level execs and CIO's, CEO'S, HR managers etc? Yes
these people are highly "educated," but the amount of compensation they
receive is light-years a head of some line-worker. Trust me on that
one, or alternatively you could look up how much some of the upper
echelon execs make, then try and imagine the STOCKs and healthcare
plans they get with it also. Another factor often overlooked are the
golden and even platinum parachutes these managers and execs receive
after they are let go... Where the line and similar workers are left
dropping into frigid waters, these said elite glide down wind to white
sand beaches and await a huge crate of benefits to wash ashore, while
workers are fending off credit card sharks and other opportunistic
predatory lenders etc... It's a wild scenario, but that's how it plays
out in the real world of it.
Just think about if you've spent the last 8-10yrs+ of your life
doing supposed menial tasks, which you've become quite good at, and now
you're told to "retrain" for a new career!? Doing WHAT? For who? For
what pay and how long? Many of these retrainees are taking near 50% pay
cuts and that's not even including the health care benefits, which in
many families, KEEPS them above water, b/c taking children to the doc's
office is like going out and gambling away dollars hoping they won't be
sick again until you can afford another perpetual visit to the Doc's
shop again etc... Where does this leave the managers and the like? Well
they get a nice package with all the things they could want, and they
also get a nice letter of referral for their next staring role as
dictator to the unskilled at XZYcorp etc...
Again... these contracts should be honored for the simple
principle upon which they were founded. All this talk about profit
margins and shares and bankruptcy seem to be a smoke screen in order to
relieve said corp from honoring contracts. These CEO's and the like are
using these legacy contracts like a credit card! Over spend and over
budget corps, in hopes to make huge returns, but they don't account, no
wait, they DO account for what happens if it all falls apart - FIRE er
"Lay off" / "down size" workers, while still collecting 100,000's
and even Millions/yr in compensation. How's about management take a
nice 50% pay/benefit cut? Couldn't have that now could we? How can you
LIVE on 50% of $200,000-10,000,000/yr?!! You'd practically have to only
own 1 Ferrari and sell the summer house in Milan! God for bid... blame
the workers for Mismanagement. God save the UAW hahaha!

Wtf are my posts so long! I'm going to start cutting them to
explicatives and mindless ranting instead. J