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$65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

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#1 ·
The mammoth troubles facing GM, Ford and their auto parts makers are
merely a symptom of the global leveling of manufacturing that has been
underway for some years.

Stop and think. We're told this week that the average annual wage for
a Ford family production line worker is an astounding $65,000! Where
else in the world can an uneducated, ignorant, untalented, unskilled
slob who tightens bolts make anything approaching that figure?
Especially when working for a company that can't move its inventory of
unwanted products!

At least in Germany, where auto workers' pay is nearly comparable to
their U.S. counterparts, those employees possess technical skills plus
a minimum high-school education.

Of course, in South Korea, such workers make about 20 percent of the
$65, 000 the American schlubs '"earn." But the Koreans at least
possess real skills and a real education. And in China, $650 a year
is real good.

So get used to less, beer-bellied Amer'cun slobs! The good old days
are never coming again - except for those with education and genuine
21st century skills! Globalism is eatin' your lunch!

Really no surprise.
 
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#27 ·
"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Franky Furter" <Frank@furter.com> wrote in message
> news:11tdld4c1mped13@corp.supernews.com...
> > Y'all gots to remember that GM Ford and Chrys. can not import there

cars
> > like the Japanese import cars to the US, so its really an uneven

trade.
> > And its also the old saying someone elses Ice is always colder.
> > The people in the US will sell out to any body given the opportunity to
> > either save a buck or to keep up with the jones's and about 20 years

ago
> > the Jones's bought a Japanese car.

>
> Actually Ford was profitable in Europe and Asia - it lost money in the US.
> So it exports and makes money there. Just not here.
>

Ford does not export a significant number of cars to Europe. They build them
there. Couple of years ago I rented the British equivalent of the Ford
Taurus. Was much more like the Taurus SHO than the American Taurus.
Comfortable bucket seats, full instrumentation, 5 speed stick , tight
suspension. I suspect that if that if the US Taurus was built like that
sales would improve. I have not driven the European Focus but I have heard
the same good things. The European GM Opel can run with BMW and Mercedes in
Germany. Not the same fit and finish but close enough given the price
differences. The younger people in the US I talk to want similar cars (they
can't afford BMW, Audi and Acura) so they buy Honda, Toyota and Nissan where
they can get a car that is fun to drive.

Howard
 
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#28 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

I am not surprised that the $65k figure includes overtime, etc. That is why
I did not comment on it. I did add a comment on the contract clause that
pays workers 90% even when the plant is closed. Do you have any comment on
that to add?


"JayR" <jryder.10@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> $65K... HAHA That's with EVERYTHING included into an estimated salaried
> number, guy I USED to WORK for GM in a factory... and I'm telling you
> from the horses MOUTH, ONLY the people that have been working there for
> over 20+ YEARS make anywhere from 40-50K/yr and many of them that's
> with TONS of overtime. $65K is an estimate with the WHOLE healthcare,
> pension plain accounted for! And at the time way back when GM could
> afford to pay out those types of packages, they had little competition.
> They signed contracts with the workers and they SHOULD be honored. If
> anyone should be losing their jobs and PAYING up are the upper
> management execs that could have and DID for see all this competition
> coming. Don't blame the worker to signing for benefits 20 or more years
> ago and still expecting to COLLECT on it. If that busts up the corp,
> then guess what - it's NOT their fault. It's the Exec's that OFFERED
> them the package. I don't see many Execs making 100 of thousands
> offering to take a nice salary cut? Cutting people at the bottom of the
> corp is the easy way out and the easy and trivial way to duck
> responsibility for past and present mismanagement. And the Corporate
> Raiders and takeover specialist just LOVE when this happens. It makes
> this quick and easy money: blame the lowly workers for accepting TOO
> much PAY! haha should they REJECT a nice contract and get paid a
> pittance for working VERY hard and in a very dangerous environment,
> while execs and managers on ALL levels get paid VERY well and enjoy
> equal or better health care packages? What a joke... more Top-down
> responsibility ducking.
> I know some people that make ~100K, but they
> literally work 12-16hr days/365 including all holidays. And the ONLY
> way that they CAN do this is having the TOP level seniority aka they've
> worked there well over 20-30 years. Overtime accounts for a LOT of
> people that earn in the 40K+ bracket. And ONLY people that have worked
> uber long get scheduled high on the list of employees ASKED after every
> shift if they WANT to work overtime... if not, they go home after the
> usual 8hrs... Or sometimes you'll be required to work a Saturday, which
> counts as time+half pay.
> Again, it's a farce to think that everyone that works on the
> assembly line is making ~65K. Not even close buddy. The white collar
> managers make the bulk of the money. My 22year old foreman, who's daddy
> was a high level engineer, was making ~$54K/yr and that's ONLY b/c he
> was a foreman. No LINE worker is making more than a foreman on an
> hourly
> basis.
> Please stop reading the sensationalized headlines from the mass
> money making media, and do some googling to research what the ACTUAL
> salaries and wages are for MOST of the employees. Also, you people need
> to stop blaming the workers for getting paid whatever they can, and
> blame the MANAGEMENT that signs the checks and negotiates the HORRIBLE
> and unprofitable deals for parts and bulk production equipment. The
> WORKER has little say in how much he/she makes, the management DOES.
>
> I Just love the USA... 100's of millions of idiots blaming the common
> worker and lower class for the upper class SELLING out their own
> country for profit. The common worker has little control over the
> direction of a company. Striking is about all they can do, IF they are
> permitted to have a labor union, which is also corrupted by money and
> power, like any other fallible human institution. Show a little
> compassion, for the blue collar worker is NOT the one sending jobs over
> seas for quick profit-&-run deals.... Good day!
>
 
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#29 ·
Their cars can' be that crappy they sell more than Toyota and Honda in the
US.

mike hunt


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> posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>
>>Isn`t Ford known as Fix Or Repair Daily?
>>That`s what they get.

>
> They? The workers get canned because the management gave them crappy
> cars to build? Heh.
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#30 ·
The American auto makers still sell more vehicles than all of the import
brands combined.


mike hunt


"Sean Elkins" <sean_elkins@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <dr6glk$kfs$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
> Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:00:22 -0500, "Crusader" <white@xyz.com> top
>> posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>>
>> >Isn`t Ford known as Fix Or Repair Daily?
>> >That`s what they get.

>>
>> They? The workers get canned because the management gave them crappy
>> cars to build? Heh.

>
> It's not that simple: if someone hands you a crappy design to build, at
> least you can show enough self-respect to assemble
> it correctly and tighten all of the bolts.
>
> There's plenty of blame to spread around here: management and workers
> both had a hand in killing the American auto industry.
 
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#31 ·
$65,000 is not the annual wage, it is the total cost per employee. That
figure includes benefits and managements portion of their FICA.


mike hunt



"Moe" <"Moe"@BubbleLand.USA> wrote in message
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> jismquiff@yahoo.com wrote:


>> Of course, in South Korea, such workers make about 20 percent of the
>> $65, 000 the American schlubs '"earn."
 
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#32 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

Learning Richard, 1/25/2006, 8:54:04 AM,
<1138197244.456346.93500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> 65,000 a year should be minimum wage in the usa. That would be $32.50
> an hour.
>
> taken a look at your electric bill lately?


If minimum wage = $32.50
Then loaf of bread = $16.75
 
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#33 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

badgolferman wrote:
> Learning Richard, 1/25/2006, 8:54:04 AM,
> <1138197244.456346.93500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > 65,000 a year should be minimum wage in the usa. That would be $32.50
> > an hour.
> >
> > taken a look at your electric bill lately?

>
> If minimum wage = $32.50
> Then loaf of bread = $16.75


We could swing that without an extra dime of expense if we cut down on
things like YOUR (Republican) elected officials accepting bribes and
payoffs from corrupt lobbyists.
 
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#34 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

Dan J.S. wrote:
> <jismquiff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1138142710.343858.136720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > The mammoth troubles facing GM, Ford and their auto parts makers are
> > merely a symptom of the global leveling of manufacturing that has been
> > underway for some years.
> >
> > Stop and think. We're told this week that the average annual wage for
> > a Ford family production line worker is an astounding $65,000! Where
> > else in the world can an uneducated, ignorant, untalented, unskilled
> > slob who tightens bolts make anything approaching that figure?
> > Especially when working for a company that can't move its inventory of
> > unwanted products!
> >
> > At least in Germany, where auto workers' pay is nearly comparable to
> > their U.S. counterparts, those employees possess technical skills plus
> > a minimum high-school education.
> >
> > Of course, in South Korea, such workers make about 20 percent of the
> > $65, 000 the American schlubs '"earn." But the Koreans at least
> > possess real skills and a real education. And in China, $650 a year
> > is real good.
> >
> > So get used to less, beer-bellied Amer'cun slobs! The good old days
> > are never coming again - except for those with education and genuine
> > 21st century skills! Globalism is eatin' your lunch!
> >
> > Really no surprise.
> >

>
> Funny how you think $65k is a lot of money. You must not get out much.


We are talking about wages competing with workers in China
If they get $65.000 in US and $650 in China for the same job then is no
wonder that management is moving jobs to China
 
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#35 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

It IS the fault of blue collar workers and well as other US workers. They
are the people that are sending their OWN jobs oversees, every time they buy
imported products thinking they are saving a few dollars. It is the
American consumer that is sending their jobs to low wage states when they
buy vehicles like the Camry and Tundra that are only assembled in the US of
mostly foreign parts yet cost 20% to 30% more to drive home. Then Toyota
sends its profits to Japan tax free.


mike hunt



"JayR" <jryder.10@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138162544.819053.94040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


.. Show a little
> compassion, for the blue collar worker is NOT the one sending jobs over
> seas for quick profit-&-run deals.... Good day!
>
 
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#36 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

Mike Hunter wrote:
> It IS the fault of blue collar workers and well as other US workers. They
> are the people that are sending their OWN jobs oversees, every time they buy
> imported products thinking they are saving a few dollars. It is the


God help us all, I agree.

> American consumer that is sending their jobs to low wage states when they
> buy vehicles like the Camry and Tundra that are only assembled in the US of
> mostly foreign parts yet cost 20% to 30% more to drive home. Then Toyota
> sends its profits to Japan tax free.


The bitter irony is brought to light by Wal-Mart's famous "Buy
American" campaign in the late 80s and early 90s, before they were
exposed for putting small American manufacturers out of business while
they reaped the profits of Asian slave labor and duped the entire US
working class at the same time.
 
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#37 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

Hi Mike,

I was at the dentist yesterday and had plenty of time to read Motor Trend's
car of the year issue. If you page thru and review all of the new cars, the
US makes are pretty pathetic or in the case of the new Ford Fusion and it's
twins, overpriced and as yet untested. The GM models are particularly bad.


"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:jQ-dnQ7wioP4LkreUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> It IS the fault of blue collar workers and well as other US workers.
> They are the people that are sending their OWN jobs oversees, every time
> they buy imported products thinking they are saving a few dollars. It is
> the American consumer that is sending their jobs to low wage states when
> they buy vehicles like the Camry and Tundra that are only assembled in the
> US of mostly foreign parts yet cost 20% to 30% more to drive home. Then
> Toyota sends its profits to Japan tax free.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
> "JayR" <jryder.10@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138162544.819053.94040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> . Show a little
>> compassion, for the blue collar worker is NOT the one sending jobs over
>> seas for quick profit-&-run deals.... Good day!
>>

>
>
 
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#38 ·
"Moe" <"Moe"@BubbleLand.USA> wrote in message
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> jismquiff@yahoo.com wrote:


> Oh well, times change. Nothing stays the same forever, nothing.
> Toyota and Honda will soon be running and winning in NASCAR races.


I don't know about Honda, but NASCAR is perfect for Toyota. Boring 30 year
old designed running around in circles. Fits right in with the Toyota design
strategy - polished turds. Oh what a feeling.

Ed
 
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#39 ·
Turds? Is that is why Toyota calls their racing division, TRD? ;)


mike hunt


"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:43d7ba95$1@kcnews01...
>
> "Moe" <"Moe"@BubbleLand.USA> wrote in message
> news:CHFBf.2662$2o5.1353@dukeread11...
>> jismquiff@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>> Oh well, times change. Nothing stays the same forever, nothing.
>> Toyota and Honda will soon be running and winning in NASCAR races.

>
> I don't know about Honda, but NASCAR is perfect for Toyota. Boring 30 year
> old designed running around in circles. Fits right in with the Toyota
> design
> strategy - polished turds. Oh what a feeling.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
 
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#40 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

That may be their editorial opinion but you can't prove it by me. The
buying public is who make the ultimate decision as to which is better, when
they buy what they buy. The fact is they buy more vehicles from GM and Ford
than any other manufacture. Personally I have not had a bad car, foreign or
domestic, in over 25 years. The only difference I'm seeing today is I have
been buying my domestics for a lot less money than when I was buying foreign
and they have proven to be just as reliable. ;)


mike hunt


"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:_TOBf.111$Nv2.38@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Hi Mike,
>
> I was at the dentist yesterday and had plenty of time to read Motor
> Trend's car of the year issue. If you page thru and review all of the new
> cars, the US makes are pretty pathetic or in the case of the new Ford
> Fusion and it's twins, overpriced and as yet untested. The GM models are
> particularly bad.
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:jQ-dnQ7wioP4LkreUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> It IS the fault of blue collar workers and well as other US workers. They
>> are the people that are sending their OWN jobs oversees, every time they
>> buy imported products thinking they are saving a few dollars. It is the
>> American consumer that is sending their jobs to low wage states when they
>> buy vehicles like the Camry and Tundra that are only assembled in the US
>> of mostly foreign parts yet cost 20% to 30% more to drive home. Then
>> Toyota sends its profits to Japan tax free.
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>>
>> "JayR" <jryder.10@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1138162544.819053.94040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>> . Show a little
>>> compassion, for the blue collar worker is NOT the one sending jobs over
>>> seas for quick profit-&-run deals.... Good day!
>>>

>>
>>

>
>
 
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#41 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

<gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138209456.922042.12890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dan J.S. wrote:
>> <jismquiff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1138142710.343858.136720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > The mammoth troubles facing GM, Ford and their auto parts makers are
>> > merely a symptom of the global leveling of manufacturing that has been
>> > underway for some years.
>> >
>> > Stop and think. We're told this week that the average annual wage for
>> > a Ford family production line worker is an astounding $65,000! Where
>> > else in the world can an uneducated, ignorant, untalented, unskilled
>> > slob who tightens bolts make anything approaching that figure?
>> > Especially when working for a company that can't move its inventory of
>> > unwanted products!
>> >
>> > At least in Germany, where auto workers' pay is nearly comparable to
>> > their U.S. counterparts, those employees possess technical skills plus
>> > a minimum high-school education.
>> >
>> > Of course, in South Korea, such workers make about 20 percent of the
>> > $65, 000 the American schlubs '"earn." But the Koreans at least
>> > possess real skills and a real education. And in China, $650 a year
>> > is real good.
>> >
>> > So get used to less, beer-bellied Amer'cun slobs! The good old days
>> > are never coming again - except for those with education and genuine
>> > 21st century skills! Globalism is eatin' your lunch!
>> >
>> > Really no surprise.
>> >

>>
>> Funny how you think $65k is a lot of money. You must not get out much.

>
> We are talking about wages competing with workers in China
> If they get $65.000 in US and $650 in China for the same job then is no
> wonder that management is moving jobs to China
>


Yeah but look at cars made in Germany - quality is not much better.

Plus - who is buying Chinese made cars?
 
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#42 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

Oh man... this is great! Blaming people in a free country for NOT
buying lower quality built cars. WHY would I want to buy a car that has
lower enforced quality control standards that cost the same as a
foreign car, which has higher standards and better overall resale value
(just to name a few)? Just b/c it's "American" built? Ha, that tired
rhetoric has LONG been sold out. Unfortunately, again these monolithic
giants are STILL trying to use the same old 1950's model of "Made in
the USA" standards and patriotism that NO longer apply. The model is
out dated and frankly ignorant in these times. Again, blaming the blue
collar and lesser workers is ridiculous. And as usual, I don't here
anyone complaining about the well overpaid management/execs that get to
jump ship and float off on silver/golden parachutes. BLAME the ape
workers!
Speaking of quality control... GM, Ford and the like COULD and can
build much higher quality produced vehicles, if they so choose. But
being that they are giants that wield a big club, their model is based
on profit from mass production, not tight quality control standards. I
know, I've SEEN how the cars are built... Hell I have help build them,
but when you're NOT the quality control agent/manager, you have no say
in what is glued Vs riveted Vs seem welded instead. Take ford for
example; many of the EUROPEAN fords are VERY well made and last decades
longer than their American built counter parts. The Merkur was built to
compete with BMW and Audi in the USA, but they had did not have the
proper show room model to display the much high improved standards, and
dumped them off to Lincoln dealers, who had little clue as to what they
were selling, other than some "Euro-Ford." I happen to own a Merkur and
they are very solid cars. Much more so than what is even being produced
today by Ford. A shame, but again it's NOT the worker's fault- it is a
MANAGEMENT mistake. But seeing as people in this country have been
inbred into believing that only the supposed "ignorant worker," is to
blame, I can see why management/execs and the like are invisible to
proper criticism. And as someone also pointed out, EVERYONE that works
for GM HAS to be referred & given a DNA based drug screen. You will NOT
be hired w/o being referred 1st. So the misconception of junkies and
ogres working the line and doing jobs a 16yr old girl could do are
hardly applicable. And furthermore, many of these jobs are in a very
hostile and dangerous environment where the typical said "idiot" would
get him/herself KILLED and or severely injured. Make no mistake, not
everyone that works for GM and the like are rocket-scientists, but they
are far from what most would depict as said " ignorant factor worker."
With that said...I hate to inform some of you, but many of those
workers, say the ones that have been working there for at least
15years: STARTED working there with little skill, and b/c GM could
afford to pay so well, many of them earned degrees and other kinds of
skilled certifications outside of work; but none of these jobs could
match the pay and benefits package of GM at that time. Again these
people had/have families to feed and quitting their SECURE and high
paying GM job with an uber health benefits package was NOT and for
some, still is not an option. My father happens to work for GM and has
2 degrees and a Masters, I have 2 degrees and numerous computer certs.
We are hardly "ignorant." The persons that like to blindly assume and
point out said ignorance, more than show their own in doing so.
Unfortunately the mounting classism in this country is appalling.
Even people in the same "class" or income bracket (since income doesn't
always indicate an individual's amount of "class") are stupid
enough to be turned against their follow man/woman in a condescending
attempt to distance themselves, as IF you are any better than said
worker. Ha, think LOGICALLY about what you are attempting to allude, by
pointing the finger and turning a blind eye to people that have
sustained many of the small towns and cities in this formerly "free
country." I say formerly b/c about 20-30% of it is now owned by
debtor-default to China, Japan and some other Euro/Asian countries.
Just WHO are you people to point fingers at anyone? Persons with REAL
class/tact are actually informed BEFORE they post and wouldn't attempt
to look down on another for purposes of belittlement and pure malice.
It's unfortunate that so many people these days, waste valuable time
trying to falsely separate themselves from others, as if doing so makes
you any better? Get real! I've wasted plenty of time even obliging
these Socratic taunts... I doubt that any of this will change anyone's
point of view, but again let it be said that blaming HARD working men
and women, for the past and present mismanagement (again there's that
word - management!) of a former auto-industry leaders seeming demise,
is hardly informed nor worthy of attention at all. Good day.
 
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#43 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

Wait and see what happen when Toyota gets the new Chinese plant up and
running LOL


mike hunt
"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
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>
> <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138209456.922042.12890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Dan J.S. wrote:
>>> <jismquiff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1138142710.343858.136720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>> > The mammoth troubles facing GM, Ford and their auto parts makers are
>>> > merely a symptom of the global leveling of manufacturing that has been
>>> > underway for some years.
>>> >
>>> > Stop and think. We're told this week that the average annual wage for
>>> > a Ford family production line worker is an astounding $65,000! Where
>>> > else in the world can an uneducated, ignorant, untalented, unskilled
>>> > slob who tightens bolts make anything approaching that figure?
>>> > Especially when working for a company that can't move its inventory of
>>> > unwanted products!
>>> >
>>> > At least in Germany, where auto workers' pay is nearly comparable to
>>> > their U.S. counterparts, those employees possess technical skills plus
>>> > a minimum high-school education.
>>> >
>>> > Of course, in South Korea, such workers make about 20 percent of the
>>> > $65, 000 the American schlubs '"earn." But the Koreans at least
>>> > possess real skills and a real education. And in China, $650 a year
>>> > is real good.
>>> >
>>> > So get used to less, beer-bellied Amer'cun slobs! The good old days
>>> > are never coming again - except for those with education and genuine
>>> > 21st century skills! Globalism is eatin' your lunch!
>>> >
>>> > Really no surprise.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Funny how you think $65k is a lot of money. You must not get out much.

>>
>> We are talking about wages competing with workers in China
>> If they get $65.000 in US and $650 in China for the same job then is no
>> wonder that management is moving jobs to China
>>

>
> Yeah but look at cars made in Germany - quality is not much better.
>
> Plus - who is buying Chinese made cars?
>
 
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#44 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

That may be your opinion but more American buy GM and Ford vehicles than
they buy any other. They must think the one they buy is as good or better
than the brand you buy.


mike hunt


"JayR" <jryder.10@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Oh man... this is great! Blaming people in a free country for NOT
> buying lower quality built cars. WHY would I want to buy a car that has
> lower enforced quality control standards that cost the same as a
> foreign car, which has higher standards and better overall resale value
> (just to name a few)?
 
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#45 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Wait and see what happen when Toyota gets the new Chinese plant up and
> running LOL
>
>
> mike hunt



Will that be this new Chevy built by Vietnamese?

I was wondering were you were going to try to sell them
I doubt that the Chinese will buy it

The 26th Annual tour of Super Chevy Shows starts at
> >>>>>Bradenton Motorsports Park February 10-11-12 with the Tremec Car Show
> >>>>>series, Bracket Race, Manufacturer's Midway, Swap Meet, and Car Corral.
> >>>
> >>>>Excitement galore as Jessie Harris in the Queen of Diamonds Jet Dragster
> >>>>versus Lou Pereia's Terminator Jet Dragster in a 300 mph battle of the
> >>>>sexes and super showman Bob Hall thrills the fans in the Airborne
> >>>>Express Chevy Astro Van Wheelstander
> >>>
> >>>>The wildest machines in drag racing Nitro Coupes feauturing New York's
> >>>>Mike Swinarski, Chicago's Randy Adler, Canada's Bruce Boland and many
> >>>>other Super Chevy Show stars will compete.
> >>>
> >>>>Bracket racers will have the opportunity to Test & Tune on Friday from
> >>>>noon to 5 pm and all GM makes and models can compete in the bracket
> >>>>race.
> >>>
> >>>>Gates open Friday at 10 am, Saturday and Sunday at 8 am. Nitro Coupes
> >>>>and Jets blast off at 1pm Saturday and Sunday. Come to Bradenton
> >>>>February 10-11-12 for Super Chevy Show fun and excitement.
> >>>>GM Performance Division continues sponsorship of
> >>>>Super Chevy Shows
> >>>>AutoStar Productions is proud to announce that GM Performance Division
> >>>>has
> >>>>The new super Chevy is an automobile produced by GM
> >>>>Despite its poor performance and smoky two-stroke engine the name Chevy
> >>>>means something
> >>>
> >>>the cars are often referred to as the Cheffi or Chefi, pronounced with
> >>>a short e
> >>>600cc Chevy P601L.
> >>>600cc Chevy P602L.
> >>>
> >>>>Super Chevy, the Chevy 500, also known as the Chevy P 50, and the Chevy
> >>>>601 (or Chevy P 60 series)
> >>>>The engine for both the 500 and 601 is a small two-stroke engine with
> >>>>two cylinders, giving the vehicle modest performance.
> >>>>It deliveres 25 horsepower (19 kW) from a 600 cc displacement.
> >>>>The car takes 21 seconds from 0 to 100 km/h and the top speed is 112
> >>>>km/h.
> >>>>The main problem with the engine is the smoky exhaust and the pollution
> >>>>it produces
> >>>>The Chevys body panels are made of Duroplast, a form of plastic
> >>>>containing resin strengthened by wool or cotton
> >>>>This helps GM avoid expensive steel, but does not provide much crash
> >>>>protection
> >>>
> >>>although in crash tests it has actually proved to be superior to some
> >>>modern small hatchbacks
> >>>
> >>>>The new super Chevy is the second car to use Duroplast,
> >>>
> >>>after the "pre-Chevy" P70 model
> >>>
> >>>>Originally planned as a three-wheeled motorcycle
> >>>>The decision to build a four-wheeled car came late in the planning
> >>>>process
> >>>>The name Chevy was chosen in a internal contest
> >>>>Previous motorcycle production at Cadillac inspired this new Chefi
> >>>>The Chevy is not a particularly advanced car
> >>>>Later model will generally use cleaner and more efficient four-stroke
> >>>>engines
> >>>>The Chevys designers expect production to extend to 2007 at the latest
> >>>
> >>>designers and engineers created a series of more sophisticated
> >>>prototypes
> >>>that are intended to extend the Chefi
> >>>
> >>>>Several of these can be seen at the super Chevy show
> >>>>However, each proposal for a new model has been rejected by the
> >>>>leadership for reasons of cost
> >>>>As a result, the Chevy remained in production unchanged
> >>>>The automobiles will be continually updated and exported
> >>>>The Chevys production method, which is extremely labor-intensive will
> >>>>remain unchanged
> >>>
> >>>and much of the work will to be carried out by Vietnamese guest workers
> >>>
> >>>>A smaller version of the engine replaces the elderly two-stroke engine
> >>>>The model, known as the Chevy 1,1 also has minor improvements to the
> >>>>brake and signal lights
> >>>
> >>>a revised grille and replaces the coach spring-suspended chassis with
> >>>one using struts
> >>>
> >>>>However the time it enters production has already been agreed to
> >>>>The inefficient, labor-intensive production line will be kept open only
> >>>>because of government subsidies
> >>>>Demand for GM cars has plummeted as residents can now buy Japanese cars
> >>>>Chevys well-known in the News reports inaccurately describes them
> >>>
> >>>as having cardboard bodies
> >>>
> >>>>Buy a Chevy for as little as a few dollars, and many will be given away
> >>>>at the show
> >>>>Later when as they become better liked prices will be increased but they
> >>>>will remain very cheap cars
> >>>
> >>



> "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
> news:11tfjbc532ggj99@news.supernews.com...
> >
> > <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1138209456.922042.12890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> Dan J.S. wrote:
> >>> <jismquiff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:1138142710.343858.136720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >>> > The mammoth troubles facing GM, Ford and their auto parts makers are
> >>> > merely a symptom of the global leveling of manufacturing that has been
> >>> > underway for some years.
> >>> >
> >>> > Stop and think. We're told this week that the average annual wage for
> >>> > a Ford family production line worker is an astounding $65,000! Where
> >>> > else in the world can an uneducated, ignorant, untalented, unskilled
> >>> > slob who tightens bolts make anything approaching that figure?
> >>> > Especially when working for a company that can't move its inventory of
> >>> > unwanted products!
> >>> >
> >>> > At least in Germany, where auto workers' pay is nearly comparable to
> >>> > their U.S. counterparts, those employees possess technical skills plus
> >>> > a minimum high-school education.
> >>> >
> >>> > Of course, in South Korea, such workers make about 20 percent of the
> >>> > $65, 000 the American schlubs '"earn." But the Koreans at least
> >>> > possess real skills and a real education. And in China, $650 a year
> >>> > is real good.
> >>> >
> >>> > So get used to less, beer-bellied Amer'cun slobs! The good old days
> >>> > are never coming again - except for those with education and genuine
> >>> > 21st century skills! Globalism is eatin' your lunch!
> >>> >
> >>> > Really no surprise.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> Funny how you think $65k is a lot of money. You must not get out much.
> >>
> >> We are talking about wages competing with workers in China
> >> If they get $65.000 in US and $650 in China for the same job then is no
> >> wonder that management is moving jobs to China
> >>

> >
> > Yeah but look at cars made in Germany - quality is not much better.
> >
> > Plus - who is buying Chinese made cars?
> >
 
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#46 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

No it will be the Camry built in China. I don't know why you think the
Chinese will not buy them, the Camry is a good car. Toyota will just sell it
cheaper in China, like they do now in third world counties. The Camry is
over priced and underpowered for my taste but Americans are buying them in
good numbers. I think the kind of American that would buy a car, that is
currently only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts by a foreign
corporation that pays no US federal corporate income taxes, like the Camry
will still buy them when they are made in China.. Those buyers that buy all
of the Toyotas that are made in Japan have no concern for their own
countries economy. Why do you think they would they be concerned about
Japanese economy over the Chinese economy? ;)


mike hunt


<gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> Wait and see what happen when Toyota gets the new Chinese plant up and
>> running LOL
>>
>>
>> mike hunt

>
>
> Will that be this new Chevy built by Vietnamese?
>
> I was wondering were you were going to try to sell them
> I doubt that the Chinese will buy it
 
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#47 ·
Re: $65,000 A Year? Bye, U.S. Auto Workers!

Mike Hunter wrote:
> That may be your opinion but more American buy GM and Ford vehicles than
> they buy any other. They must think the one they buy is as good or better
> than the brand you buy.
>
>
> mike hunt



Yeah, and most Americans have to bring their Mexican built American
cars in for service every other week. What's your point? Any savings
in the initial price of the car is negated by constant repairs.
 
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#48 ·
Quantity doesn`t make it for quality.
Ameica used to, in a remote past,to build the best
products,Electronics,Autos,etc,that was before the advent of the liberals
and their derrotist and treasonous nature,created by their abuse of LSD.


"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> The American auto makers still sell more vehicles than all of the import
> brands combined.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Sean Elkins" <sean_elkins@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:sean_elkins-7E1872.21072124012006@news.iglou.com...
>> In article <dr6glk$kfs$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
>> Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:00:22 -0500, "Crusader" <white@xyz.com> top
>>> posted like an ignorant fucking moron and wrote:
>>>
>>> >Isn`t Ford known as Fix Or Repair Daily?
>>> >That`s what they get.
>>>
>>> They? The workers get canned because the management gave them crappy
>>> cars to build? Heh.

>>
>> It's not that simple: if someone hands you a crappy design to build, at
>> least you can show enough self-respect to assemble
>> it correctly and tighten all of the bolts.
>>
>> There's plenty of blame to spread around here: management and workers
>> both had a hand in killing the American auto industry.

>
>
 
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#49 ·
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:59:13 GMT, "351CJ" <351CJ@msn.com> wrote:

>
>"Moe" <"Moe"@BubbleLand.USA> wrote in message
>news:CHFBf.2662$2o5.1353@dukeread11...
>> jismquiff@yahoo.com wrote:


>> Oh well, times change. Nothing stays the same forever, nothing. Toyota
>> and Honda will soon be running and winning in NASCAR races.

>
>That is not likely. Do you even know what NASCAR is?
>

Toyota already runs in the truck series and NASCAR announced they will run in
the Busch and Cup series in 07.

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#50 ·
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:59:13 GMT, "351CJ" <351CJ@msn.com> wrote:


>> Oh well, times change. Nothing stays the same forever, nothing. Toyota
>> and Honda will soon be running and winning in NASCAR races.

>
>That is not likely. Do you even know what NASCAR is?


http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/01/23/toyota.cup/index.html

(excerpt)
Toyota to race Cup, Busch beginning in '07 (January 23, 2006)
NASCAR and Toyota announced Monday the manufacturer's plans to expand
its racing program by competing in the Nextel Cup and Busch series
starting in 2007, fielding the Camry model.


Unreal but true.

...Ron
--
68'RS Camaro
88'Formula
00'GT Mustang
 
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#51 ·
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> Have Americans ever consider how many of those other American workers buy
> the things produced by their employer?. Do they think the import brands
> will still assemble cars in the US when they too can build them in China
> for much less? Your job can be the next to go offshore unless of course
> you work at WalMart of McDonalds.
>
> Five years ago I was amazed to see all of the foreign cars in the parking
> lots of a nearby plant that made gas and brake lines for automobiles.
> Last year it shut down and discharged over 1,000 people. Just down the
> street from that plant is one that makes the 'glitter' used in car paints,
> that employs over 600 people. It may shut down as well, if it losses its
> Ford contract. ;)


How many of those "foreign" cars were actually cars built in the US? Many if
not most of them. And not all Fords, GM and Chrysler cars are built in North
America.

Jeff


>
> mike hunt
>
>
> <jismquiff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1138142710.343858.136720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> The mammoth troubles facing GM, Ford and their auto parts makers are
>> merely a symptom of the global leveling of manufacturing that has been
>> underway for some years.
>>
>> Stop and think. We're told this week that the average annual wage for
>> a Ford family production line worker is an astounding $65,000! Where
>> else in the world can an uneducated, ignorant, untalented, unskilled
>> slob who tightens bolts make anything approaching that figure?
>> Especially when working for a company that can't move its inventory of
>> unwanted products!
>>
>> At least in Germany, where auto workers' pay is nearly comparable to
>> their U.S. counterparts, those employees possess technical skills plus
>> a minimum high-school education.
>>
>> Of course, in South Korea, such workers make about 20 percent of the
>> $65, 000 the American schlubs '"earn." But the Koreans at least
>> possess real skills and a real education. And in China, $650 a year
>> is real good.
>>
>> So get used to less, beer-bellied Amer'cun slobs! The good old days
>> are never coming again - except for those with education and genuine
>> 21st century skills! Globalism is eatin' your lunch!
>>
>> Really no surprise.
>>

>
>
 
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