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Old 11-27-2005, 02:01   #11 (permalink)
trainfan1
 
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Re: 77 ltd problem

Don Holton wrote:

> In article <a8SdndrP4593SBveRVn_vQ@giganews.com>,
> nathan.hoeft@earthlink-dot-net.no-spam.invalid (fordltd) wrote:
>
>
>>I've been trying to think of could be wrong w the ol ltd she seems to
>>run good when I start her up and drive but after maybe 15 or 20 min.
>>Of warming up her eng light comes on, am a little confused where to
>>go from here have a oil pressure gauge and rpm gauge hooked up the
>>oil pressure is good until it warms up it sits at about 2-3 psi while
>>in idle and maybe 50-60 psi after start up right away, please
>>somebody help! Any help is appreciated

>
>
> OK I have to agree with those that have already responded the main and
> rod bearings are probably toast and I also suspect it has the 351 M /
> 400 series engine. These were based off the poor oiling 351 C and also
> were pourly oiled especially the 351 M far more so than the 400!


Seeing as these two engines are identical - except for crank stroke &
pistons, both are just as susceptible.

Rob
 
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Old 11-27-2005, 03:01   #12 (permalink)
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re:77 ltd problem

It is a 400m, the eng light does go out when ya accellerate, putting
in the t connect for the oil gauge was a lil tricky! Very limited
space to say the least,do have a new sending unit connected, it's at
about a lil over 160 k miles, has been a very reliable beast, is hard
on gas, doesn't burn oil, has good compression, you can peel out the
tires on the street! Have tried to give her tender lovin care, have
used lucas in the past, have put in some sea foam crap through the
intake a while back, thought that might have helped, have not been
driving her, just start her up everyday to pump some air into her,
have never taken the oil pan off before, in some books they say it's
wise to raise the eng. Is there another way around that other than
to take the eng out? Do have a ch picker but don't feel like raisin
her up ya know! any thoughts are helpful

 
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Old 11-27-2005, 06:01   #13 (permalink)
tom
 
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Re: re:77 ltd problem

my 79 has 180k miles on it now. I when I got it it had 0 oil pressure at
warm idle,and 10 at speed. I am using 15-45 valvoline all fleet, and 1 quart
of Lucas, on a 3k mile change interval. it now has 15-20 at idle, and 30-60
at speed. been like this for 35k miles now.. the reason for the 15-45 all
fleet is that it is bought bulk in 55 gal drums, and it is easier to use 1
oil in everything. any good name brand 15-45 oil will work.
"fordltd" <nathan.hoeft@earthlink-dot-net.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:t4idnZGvLO-Z5BTeRVn_vQ@giganews.com...
> It is a 400m, the eng light does go out when ya accellerate, putting
> in the t connect for the oil gauge was a lil tricky! Very limited
> space to say the least,do have a new sending unit connected, it's at
> about a lil over 160 k miles, has been a very reliable beast, is hard
> on gas, doesn't burn oil, has good compression, you can peel out the
> tires on the street! Have tried to give her tender lovin care, have
> used lucas in the past, have put in some sea foam crap through the
> intake a while back, thought that might have helped, have not been
> driving her, just start her up everyday to pump some air into her,
> have never taken the oil pan off before, in some books they say it's
> wise to raise the eng. Is there another way around that other than
> to take the eng out? Do have a ch picker but don't feel like raisin
> her up ya know! any thoughts are helpful
>



 
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Old 11-27-2005, 08:01   #14 (permalink)
jimblob
 
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re:77 ltd problem

as far as pulling pan . if it nessacery or not a little x-tra room not a
bad thing for a back yard oil pan drop.disconnect center bolt onengine
mount and jack one side of engine.;

 
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:01   #15 (permalink)
fordltd
 
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Re: 77 ltd problem

As for a rebuild the oilin system is a little oily in the cleveland
family any suggestions with a possible modification of the oiling
system? A deep sump pan is an idea the question is it worth the
hassle..... I'm crazy and willing to try some new things, tried
talking to trw but found out they swichted to federal mogul that was
awhile back am I right? Guess a 351c piston could work which
supposedly bumps the compression to 10:1 do want to rebuild her but
need to get some money and knowledge rounded up, any building
suggestions? would this be too much for the engine being at 160k?
I'm still learning when it comes to an engine so bear with me

 
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:01   #16 (permalink)
tom
 
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Re: 77 ltd problem

higher compression ratio and more oil in the pan(deep sump pan) will only
cost you money. it will not solve the low oil pressure problem. the only way
to "fix" it is to rebuild it and under cut the crank, and install new
oversized bearings. or use a thicker oil and lucas and save yourself around
$1500
"fordltd" <nathan.hoeft@earthlink-dot-net.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:Ou-dnSsE3tCpgRHeRVn_vQ@giganews.com...
> As for a rebuild the oilin system is a little oily in the cleveland
> family any suggestions with a possible modification of the oiling
> system? A deep sump pan is an idea the question is it worth the
> hassle..... I'm crazy and willing to try some new things, tried
> talking to trw but found out they swichted to federal mogul that was
> awhile back am I right? Guess a 351c piston could work which
> supposedly bumps the compression to 10:1 do want to rebuild her but
> need to get some money and knowledge rounded up, any building
> suggestions? would this be too much for the engine being at 160k?
> I'm still learning when it comes to an engine so bear with me
>



 
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Old 11-30-2005, 22:01   #17 (permalink)
Ford Fan
 
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Re: 77 ltd problem

A LTD's 351 would be a
Windsor.

 
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Old 12-01-2005, 03:01   #18 (permalink)
tom
 
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Re: 77 ltd problem

a 77 ltd most likely has a 351M or 400 M in it.
"Ford Fan" <google.9.dukeofurl@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
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> A LTD's 351 would be a
> Windsor.
>



 
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Old 12-01-2005, 20:01   #19 (permalink)
markansas859
 
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Re: 77 ltd problem

I used to own a 1977 LTD Landau

mine had a 351M, according to the guy that owned the autparts store where I
bought parts at.

one of the best riding cars I have owned..... gas mileage sukked for
delivering pizza, though

I had mine from 1987-1991, used it to deliver pizza 2 years, and all I ever
did to it was oil and filter changes, tires, and brakes.


 
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:01   #20 (permalink)
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Re: 77 ltd problem

K gonna start diagnosing tommorrow, wanna thank you guys for being a
help, finally bought most of the bottom end parts yeah! Anyway,
doing the oil change tommorrow and will see if going to have to open
up a can of worms! Will keep posted, really do appreciate what's
been said :)

 
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