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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:55:39 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
wrote:
>Steve, just for your information, Jim was not flaming you with that spec 36
>tidbit, but rather baiting the resident rectal orifice that this week is
>going by the name of fordman something or other, and signs off as hurc ast
>the rectal orifice. his sole reason for posting here is to give people bad,
>dangerous advice, and to start flaming wars.(hurc that is)
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:12:02 -0400, "Steve" <stevchev@videotron.ca>
wrote:
>Hi Jim,
> I'm not a Ford technician, so I don't know what specialty 36 is.
>I am however a GM tecnician and have been doing trannys, transfer cases, and
>diffs for years. Unfortunatly I don't have access to the tool required to
>set pinion depth, and don't really want to buy it for a one time use. That
>was the purpose of my question regarding backlash and pinion depth. You
>don't think setting my pinion in 5 or 10 thou will help me set my backlash
psssssssst
jim is no technician
he is an oil boy
I don't have the tool required to set pinion depth, and
don't want to buy it for a one time use. That was the
purpose of my question regarding backlash and pinion
depth. You don't think setting my pinion in 5 or 10 thou
will help me set my backlash properly with the shims
available from Ford?
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The pinion depth shim is intended to align it with its
matching ring gear for perfect mesh. The ring gear
shim is used to establish the correct backlash.
Think of the pinion near the ring as a cone near a ramp.
If the ramp angle is 30 degrees for example, the pinion
could be moved .020 axially to bring it .010 closer to
the ramp represented by the ring gear. However, if
this were done, the movement would mismatch the
meshing geometry, leading to higher shear loads,
early wear, and ultimate failure.
duh........... I just did, dipstick
<fordman3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:55:39 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Steve, just for your information, Jim was not flaming you with that spec
36
> >tidbit, but rather baiting the resident rectal orifice that this week is
> >going by the name of fordman something or other, and signs off as hurc
ast
> >the rectal orifice. his sole reason for posting here is to give people
bad,
> >dangerous advice, and to start flaming wars.(hurc that is)
>
> lmfao
> tell em how its done tom
> i need a laff
>
> hurc ast
Sorry to come back in so late, Steve... If worst comes to worst, using a
frsh shim the same thickness as your old shim should put your pinion depth
within about 2 or 3 thou of desired. While not the best situation, it is
seviceable.... Tooth contact patterns can be ever so imprecise at the best
of times.... one tech might say it looks a tad to the heel - another says it
looks good and another may feel it's a bit toward the toe... As techs, one
of the worst things we can do to ourselves is to get lost in that neverland
of shim swapping.
I've been forced to work in some pretty primitive conditions in the past....
I've seen diffs that should have howled like a coyote in heat that were
quiet... seen diffs start out with a noise and get quiet and seen diffs
start out quiet and get noisey....
Now that I have access to the tools (why steal them when I can use them
whenever I want..... though most big city shops refuse to give their techs
keys...), I prefer to use the tools and remove interpretation from the
equation. For your case, you have to start somewhere..... if you can't
beg/borrow/rent the tools, subbing the original size shim should deliver a
reliable repair most of the time.
HTH
"Steve" <stevchev@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:F4HUe.41859$FI2.1320054@wagner.videotron.net...
> Hi Jim,
> I'm not a Ford technician, so I don't know what specialty 36
is.
> I am however a GM tecnician and have been doing trannys, transfer cases,
and
> diffs for years. Unfortunatly I don't have access to the tool required to
> set pinion depth, and don't really want to buy it for a one time use. That
> was the purpose of my question regarding backlash and pinion depth. You
> don't think setting my pinion in 5 or 10 thou will help me set my backlash
> properly with the shims available from Ford?
> "Jim Warman" <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote in message
> news:x3qUe.222078$9A2.26508@edtnps89...
> > Would it not be simpler to use the correct tools (which your dealership
> > should possess) to select the correct pinion shim in one simple
operation?
> > I
> > would think that a Master tech would have passed Specialty 36 and
learned
> > how to use these tools.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
In article <bgqVe.237206$HI.115773@edtnps84>,
"Jim Warman" <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote:
> Sorry to come back in so late, Steve... If worst comes to worst, using a
> frsh shim the same thickness as your old shim should put your pinion depth
> within about 2 or 3 thou of desired. While not the best situation, it is
> seviceable.... Tooth contact patterns can be ever so imprecise at the best
> of times.... one tech might say it looks a tad to the heel - another says it
> looks good and another may feel it's a bit toward the toe... As techs, one
> of the worst things we can do to ourselves is to get lost in that neverland
> of shim swapping.
>
> I've been forced to work in some pretty primitive conditions in the past....
> I've seen diffs that should have howled like a coyote in heat that were
> quiet... seen diffs start out with a noise and get quiet and seen diffs
> start out quiet and get noisey....
>
> Now that I have access to the tools (why steal them when I can use them
> whenever I want..... though most big city shops refuse to give their techs
> keys...), I prefer to use the tools and remove interpretation from the
> equation. For your case, you have to start somewhere..... if you can't
> beg/borrow/rent the tools, subbing the original size shim should deliver a
> reliable repair most of the time.
>
> HTH
I had also considered what you're saying Jim but from the sounds
of his first post, he bought the car this way and the original
shims are long gone. Thus, he really really needs to do an
actual measurement.
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