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Old 07-26-2005, 19:01   #1 (permalink)
John
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97 Taurus Transmission / Speedometer relationship

Greetings,

Our Taurus has 78K miles on it. Tranny was replaced in 99 under warranty, so we are about 7 years and 50K with this one.
Lately weird things started to happen: when we start driving the speedometer is stuck in zero speed, the RPM goes up to around 2500-3000 without changing gear. Normally, at around 2500 when you accelerate hard the gear would change from 1st to 2nd.
In this situation, we need to either keep pushing over 3000 RPM, or let the accelerator go, which is when we feel some kind of a kick, the gear is changed from 1st to 2nd, and the speedometer needle is either remain stuck OR jump to whatever the speed is (25-30 mph).

I believe that the speedometer is indeed connected to the tranny, but what I would like to know is - what is the relationship between the two? Assuming there is a problem with the tranny that prevent the smooth change of gears, why does it effect the speedometer?
Aside of that, any idea of what may cause this problem?
Also, it doesn't happen all the time...once every now and then.
Other two pieces of info: there are no leaks from the transmission and fluid level is good (full). And also, nothing happens during cruise, it is just during start from Stop to movement of the car.

Thank you.
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Old 07-26-2005, 20:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 97 Taurus Transmission / Speedometer relationship

John wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Our Taurus has 78K miles on it. Tranny was replaced in 99 under
> warranty, so we are about 7 years and 50K with this one.
> Lately weird things started to happen: when we start driving the
> speedometer is stuck in zero speed, the RPM goes up to around 2500-3000
> without changing gear. Normally, at around 2500 when you accelerate hard
> the gear would change from 1st to 2nd.
> In this situation, we need to either keep pushing over 3000 RPM, or let
> the accelerator go, which is when we feel some kind of a kick, the gear
> is changed from 1st to 2nd, and the speedometer needle is either remain
> stuck OR jump to whatever the speed is (25-30 mph).
>
> I believe that the speedometer is indeed connected to the tranny, but
> what I would like to know is - what is the relationship between the two?
> Assuming there is a problem with the tranny that prevent the smooth
> change of gears, why does it effect the speedometer?
> Aside of that, any idea of what may cause this problem?
> Also, it doesn't happen all the time...once every now and then.
> Other two pieces of info: there are no leaks from the transmission and
> fluid level is good (full). And also, nothing happens during cruise, it
> is just during start from Stop to movement of the car.
>
> Thank you.


You need one of these:

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...number=7799723

Your car thinks it's not moving, so stays in 1st gear. Check the wiring
& harness 1st, & all connectors for a tight fit.

Rob
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Old 07-26-2005, 21:01   #3 (permalink)
John
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Re: 97 Taurus Transmission / Speedometer relationship

Thanks. Can you give me more info...what is this part (other than what it is
called), where does it go and also - is it a big deal to replace it myself?
I mean - do you need to remove the transmission for that or something?
Also, where can I find info about which wires/connectors I need to check and
where they are?

Thank you!!


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> John wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> Our Taurus has 78K miles on it. Tranny was replaced in 99 under
>> warranty, so we are about 7 years and 50K with this one.
>> Lately weird things started to happen: when we start driving the
>> speedometer is stuck in zero speed, the RPM goes up to around 2500-3000
>> without changing gear. Normally, at around 2500 when you accelerate hard
>> the gear would change from 1st to 2nd.
>> In this situation, we need to either keep pushing over 3000 RPM, or let
>> the accelerator go, which is when we feel some kind of a kick, the gear
>> is changed from 1st to 2nd, and the speedometer needle is either remain
>> stuck OR jump to whatever the speed is (25-30 mph).
>> I believe that the speedometer is indeed connected to the tranny, but
>> what I would like to know is - what is the relationship between the two?
>> Assuming there is a problem with the tranny that prevent the smooth
>> change of gears, why does it effect the speedometer?
>> Aside of that, any idea of what may cause this problem?
>> Also, it doesn't happen all the time...once every now and then.
>> Other two pieces of info: there are no leaks from the transmission and
>> fluid level is good (full). And also, nothing happens during cruise, it
>> is just during start from Stop to movement of the car.
>> Thank you.

>
> You need one of these:
>
> http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...number=7799723
>
> Your car thinks it's not moving, so stays in 1st gear. Check the wiring &
> harness 1st, & all connectors for a tight fit.
>
> Rob



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Old 07-27-2005, 09:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 97 Taurus Transmission / Speedometer relationship

I'm working on a 99 Ford Windstar Van. Don't think you have the same
transmission as it has but someone else might respond to this msg and let
you know if this might help. The tranny in mine has a VSS on the
transmission. That's Vehicle Speed Sensor. Imagine a little AC generator
shoved into the most inaccesable place on the tranny. (On top buried
behind engine and above exhaust piples, etc.) The Power Control Module
gets its car speed from this unit to make all its decisions. It also
drives the speedometer. The end of it is a gear that could wear and loose
a tooth or teeth. Hence improper signals. Just a thought.

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Old 07-27-2005, 10:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 97 Taurus Transmission / Speedometer relationship

John wrote:
> Thanks. Can you give me more info...what is this part (other than what it is
> called), where does it go and also - is it a big deal to replace it myself?
> I mean - do you need to remove the transmission for that or something?
> Also, where can I find info about which wires/connectors I need to check and
> where they are?
>
> Thank you!!



It's the VSS - Vehicle Speed Sensor - and it is installed in the
transmission from the exterior. It replaces the speedometer gear and
housing, as the car speed is all done electronically instead of with a
cable and mechanical head. It is on top of the transmission, I think
driver's side. You need to do a visual inspection & a "wiggle test" of
the harness servicing the sensor. It is a small pulse generator to
relate to the ECM the vehicle speed.

I advise you to go to eBay & get a $10.00 service manual on CD so you
can diagnose & effect repairs such as this. It will pay for itself quickly.

Rob
>
>
> "trainfan1" <lmsearing@usdatanet.net> wrote in message
> news:W5CdnYifBOdnQXvfRVn-gQ@usadatanet.net...
>
>>John wrote:
>>
>>>Greetings,
>>> Our Taurus has 78K miles on it. Tranny was replaced in 99 under
>>>warranty, so we are about 7 years and 50K with this one.
>>>Lately weird things started to happen: when we start driving the
>>>speedometer is stuck in zero speed, the RPM goes up to around 2500-3000
>>>without changing gear. Normally, at around 2500 when you accelerate hard
>>>the gear would change from 1st to 2nd.
>>>In this situation, we need to either keep pushing over 3000 RPM, or let
>>>the accelerator go, which is when we feel some kind of a kick, the gear
>>>is changed from 1st to 2nd, and the speedometer needle is either remain
>>>stuck OR jump to whatever the speed is (25-30 mph).
>>> I believe that the speedometer is indeed connected to the tranny, but
>>>what I would like to know is - what is the relationship between the two?
>>>Assuming there is a problem with the tranny that prevent the smooth
>>>change of gears, why does it effect the speedometer?
>>>Aside of that, any idea of what may cause this problem?
>>>Also, it doesn't happen all the time...once every now and then.
>>>Other two pieces of info: there are no leaks from the transmission and
>>>fluid level is good (full). And also, nothing happens during cruise, it
>>>is just during start from Stop to movement of the car.
>>> Thank you.

>>
>>You need one of these:
>>
>>http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...number=7799723
>>
>>Your car thinks it's not moving, so stays in 1st gear. Check the wiring &
>>harness 1st, & all connectors for a tight fit.
>>
>>Rob

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