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Jim Chinnis <jchinnis@spamalum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Sorry, I had that backwards. The Ford literature is confusing. It says that

Which Ford literature is that? I don't see that in the owner's guide.
I usually buy the Helms shop manual for my cars, but I've delayed on the
Escape. I think there were multiple >$100 editions available.

> What's confusing in the literature is that it says that the engine will not
> crank if the 12v battery is dead. Elsewhere it says that all engine starting
> is done from the 330v battery driving the electric motor which turns the
> engine to start it. (Ford's hybrid is apparently unique in that regard from
> what I have seen.)

If the 12v battery were dead, and I don't know how dead is defined, the
computers and ignition wouldn't work, but there is no 12v starter motor on
the Escape, as fas as I know. There is one on the Civic Hybrid, but it's
only used when the IMA battery is low.

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Jim Chinnis

dold@XReXXACXou.usenet.us.com wrote in part:

>Jim Chinnis <jchinnis@spamalum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I had that backwards. The Ford literature is confusing. It says that
>
>Which Ford literature is that? I don't see that in the owner's guide.
>I usually buy the Helms shop manual for my cars, but I've delayed on the
>Escape. I think there were multiple >$100 editions available.

The Owner's Guide, p234-236 in my copy. Look under "Jump Starting the High
Voltage Battery." This is in the section titled, "Roadside Emergencies."

>> What's confusing in the literature is that it says that the engine will not
>> crank if the 12v battery is dead. Elsewhere it says that all engine starting
>> is done from the 330v battery driving the electric motor which turns the
>> engine to start it. (Ford's hybrid is apparently unique in that regard from
>> what I have seen.)
>
>If the 12v battery were dead, and I don't know how dead is defined, the
>computers and ignition wouldn't work, but there is no 12v starter motor on
>the Escape, as fas as I know.

Right.
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dold@XReXXACXou.usenet.us.com

Jim Chinnis <jchinnis@spamalum.mit.edu> wrote:
> The Owner's Guide, p234-236 in my copy. Look under "Jump Starting the High
> Voltage Battery." This is in the section titled, "Roadside Emergencies."

Wow. How did I miss that yesterday, searching the pdf for "battery"?
Maybe I searched for "charging". Oh, well. I actually remember reading it
in the printed copy, noiw that I've refreshed my memory.

"If you attempt to start your vehicle and the engine cranks but does not
"start, the high voltage battery may need to be jump started."

That certainly suggests that there is a conventional 12v starter in there.
I thought not.

Normally, I suggest searching the pdf for specific items, but I guess I
failed this test ;-(

http://www.motorcraftservice.com/vdi...ult_retail.asp
has the 1st edition, 12/15/2004.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenan...ls/default.asp
doesn't want to let me get the 2nd edition, 1/20/2005, today.
But I did fetch it at some time in the past.
http://www.genuineservice.com/default.asp?page=E4
Says it's not available.
http://myford.fordvehicles.com
Says it's not available.

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dold@XReXXACXou.usenet.us.com

dold@xrexxacxou.usenet.us.com wrote:
> "If you attempt to start your vehicle and the engine cranks but does not
> "start, the high voltage battery may need to be jump started."

> That certainly suggests that there is a conventional 12v starter in there.
> I thought not.

What was I thinking?
If the 330V battery is too low to spin the engine, you can charge it from the
12v battery. There is no 12v starter in the Escape Hybrid.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5