Arthur Dent

"351CJ" <351CJ@msn.com> wrote in message
news:V9LIf.16239$7C3.9532@trnddc08...
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> Way Too Many People Can NOT Partake in Moderation.
> Even when it is already illegal to partake in the first place.
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> Just like drunks, pot heads and drug addicts quickly reach the point where
> there is no line between weekend use and everyday use, or on the job use.
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> If these "upstanding citizens" can't control themselves, who can?

And therein lies much of my point.

It is not necessarily the substances that are the problem, but the people
who abuse them. Simple possession should not be a crime. I don't know how
many of those articles apply to abuse, as I haven't read them, but some of
the titles are indicative of problems other than the substances. Focus
efforts and expense on REAL crimes.

Just in case you're wondering, my "drug" use is generaly limited to
caffiene, nicotine and alcohol (and I rarely get drunk). Once in a while, I
might get a script for a painkiller but I generally take it at a lesser dose
than prescribed and usually don't finish it. I don't smoke pot or snort coke
or take any other drugs for recreational use. As a former participant in law
enforcement I've even helped to take down a cop or two for drug crimes. I'm
not speaking from a position of total ignorance of this particular subject,
I'm addressing the overall realities of it.

We've probably drifted too far beyond the charter of this group so, having
said that, go ahead and get the last word in if you want to and we'll close
this thread out.

Huw

tom wrote:
> your logic is over my head. if api certification is "the lowest
> standard for oil below which is unacceptable. ", and amsoil does not
> meet api certification, how can it be a far superior oil??
>

It may be a superior lubricant but may have a technical aspect like too much
phosphate or zinc which is above the limit set for emission tests when burnt
in significant quantity in a worn engine. That is just one example.

The API is just one standard setting body. There are many others which are
less well known such as the ACEA and the Japanese one whose name escapes me
plus engine manufactuers own standards such as Mercedes Benz who actually
set high performance standards upon which other superior standards are based
including the ACEA international ones.
Personally I would, as I suspect you would, stick with an oil that meets
higher standards as well as API standards rather than use one that does not
meet API.
Now if I was track racing then many aspects of the API compromise could be
ignored and I would have no hesitation in using the Amsoil compromise which
is biassed towards performance [or so they claim]. The paradox is that since
Amsoil does is not accredited with API certification it is unlikely to meet
any higher *official* standard either so no one really knows how good or bad
Amsoil really is, except by taking their word for it.
I am willing to give them the benefit of doubt by taking their word for it
that it is a very good oil but not to the extent that I would use it in any
of my vehicles.

I hope that explains how an oil can be excellent without being API
accredited and also why I would not generally choose to use it given a
choice of other oils that actually meet exceptionally high standards such as
mb229.5 which sets the present benchmark and which also meets API lower
standards.
There is absolutely no point in using this kind of oil [an extended drain
ultra high performance oil] whether from
Castrol/Shell/Fuchs/vehicleownbrand, unless the potential is exploited in
drain interval terms. Anything under 10,000 miles in a temperate climate and
you might as well use a good dino oil.

Huw