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Old 03-19-2005, 13:02   #1 (permalink)
Shazam
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comparison question

Hi there,

I'm in the process of shopping around for a new vehicle...finally had
enough of my 2000 Jeep TJ.

So far, I test drove the 2005 Mazda Tribute GX-V6, at roughly
$29000CAD, and the 2005 Ford Escape XLS at $30200CAD.

I really liked the take-off and road handling on the Mazda, and the
Ford had a good road handling. Both seem to have the same Fuel
economy. As for cosmetics, I preferred the layout of the console in
the Mazda.

So far, from what I've read, Mazda has a better warranty, and it
somewhat a little less expensive, which I still have to negotiate
price with the dealer. as for servicing, I have no idea what to expect
from the local Mazda dealer, and the local Ford dealer has a new owner
for the past 3 years or so, and from what people say, they aren't
impressed with the service...this came from the ex-service manager
from the Ford dealership...so that's a selling point for me.

My father, good heart, but insists I check out another Ford
dealership, and has been a Ford man since I can remember. He called a
dealer in a small village about 1 hour away (in the middle of
nowhere), and was told that I can get an XLT for $32000, and my father
says that I'd be able to get an XLS for $25000....that's fine and
dandy, but if they are the same, I think I'd prefer the Madza V6 with
the above mentioned pros towards Mazda, and the fact that if I have
problems with the Ford, and I'd bring it to the local dealer, what
kind of service can I expect if i don't buy it from them.

So all this to say that I'm a little torn, and am wondering if I'm
missing some things to look for as a comparison...1 thing I forgot to
ask each dealership was on "loaners" if I need servicing, seeing that
it's imperative that I need a vehicle for work.

So far, the Mazda seems like the logical choice, but still have to see
what each dealer will give me on my trade-in.

If anyone has any ideas what else I can look for, please let me know.
thanks
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Old 03-19-2005, 15:01   #2 (permalink)
DustyRhoades@mailcity.com
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Re: comparison question

I would like to impart the benefit of my experience. if I may.
When I was still in retail we owned many dealerships.
Twenty six on the east cost and sold both Mazda and Ford among
them. Better make sure both vehicles are equipped the same. The
Escape was always much less than the Mazda, at least here in the
US, when similarly equipped. Another thing you should get before
you decide is a TOTAL DELIVERED price, not just the selling
price. The difference in finance terms and fees from dealer to
dealer can be substantial, even when the selling price is the
same. In other words how much does you check need to be for each
deal, or what is the difference in the total of your payments
over the term of the loan for each. If the dealer will only give
you a selling price and not the total delivered price, walk away
The Mazda warranty is 4/50, Ford is 3/36. Both vehicles are
built on the same Ford assembly line, the ONLY difference in the
two is cosmetic, nothing should be different in the way they
perform


mike hunt



Shazam wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm in the process of shopping around for a new vehicle...finally had
> enough of my 2000 Jeep TJ.
>
> So far, I test drove the 2005 Mazda Tribute GX-V6, at roughly
> $29000CAD, and the 2005 Ford Escape XLS at $30200CAD.
>
> I really liked the take-off and road handling on the Mazda, and the
> Ford had a good road handling. Both seem to have the same Fuel
> economy. As for cosmetics, I preferred the layout of the console in
> the Mazda.
>
> So far, from what I've read, Mazda has a better warranty, and it
> somewhat a little less expensive, which I still have to negotiate
> price with the dealer. as for servicing, I have no idea what to expect
> from the local Mazda dealer, and the local Ford dealer has a new owner
> for the past 3 years or so, and from what people say, they aren't
> impressed with the service...this came from the ex-service manager
> from the Ford dealership...so that's a selling point for me.
>
> My father, good heart, but insists I check out another Ford
> dealership, and has been a Ford man since I can remember. He called a
> dealer in a small village about 1 hour away (in the middle of
> nowhere), and was told that I can get an XLT for $32000, and my father
> says that I'd be able to get an XLS for $25000....that's fine and
> dandy, but if they are the same, I think I'd prefer the Madza V6 with
> the above mentioned pros towards Mazda, and the fact that if I have
> problems with the Ford, and I'd bring it to the local dealer, what
> kind of service can I expect if i don't buy it from them.
>
> So all this to say that I'm a little torn, and am wondering if I'm
> missing some things to look for as a comparison...1 thing I forgot to
> ask each dealership was on "loaners" if I need servicing, seeing that
> it's imperative that I need a vehicle for work.
>
> So far, the Mazda seems like the logical choice, but still have to see
> what each dealer will give me on my trade-in.
>
> If anyone has any ideas what else I can look for, please let me know.
> thanks

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Old 03-19-2005, 15:01   #3 (permalink)
Some ga
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Re: comparison question

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:49:38 -0500, DustyRhoades@mailcity.com wrote:
><snip>
>The Mazda warranty is 4/50, Ford is 3/36. Both vehicles are
>built on the same Ford assembly line, the ONLY difference in the
>two is cosmetic, nothing should be different in the way they
>perform
><snip>


Hmmm..... wonder why people keep buying Jap products.
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Old 03-20-2005, 01:01   #4 (permalink)
Ashton Crusher
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Re: comparison question

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:07:08 -0500, Some ga <someguy@address.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:49:38 -0500, DustyRhoades@mailcity.com wrote:
>><snip>
>>The Mazda warranty is 4/50, Ford is 3/36. Both vehicles are
>>built on the same Ford assembly line, the ONLY difference in the
>>two is cosmetic, nothing should be different in the way they
>>perform
>><snip>

>
>Hmmm..... wonder why people keep buying Jap products.


Because their actual better quality of 15 years ago is still believed
to be true. A friend of mine keeps buying used "imports" that are
checked by his mechanic and are in "great shape" and then invariably
he has to sink $1000 in them within 6 months. I buy American gvt
surplus vehicles and drive them for 2 years and don't put that much in
them, plus I pay half what he pays to buy them. Old myths die hard.
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Old 03-20-2005, 11:01   #5 (permalink)
Mayor2@ptdprolog.net
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Re: comparison question

In 2001 I bought a 1992 Ford Tempo, with a V6 and 52K on
the clock, for my one grandson when he turned sixteen. A year
later the engine in one of his older sisters Carolla died with
98K on the clock so he gave her the Tempo with 61K on the clock.
He wented a Civic. Personally I only buy cars made in the US by
an American company and would not buy him the Civic. He bought
himself a 1996 Covic with 78K on the clock. He paid $2,000 more
than the current NADA retail. Today the Tempo is still running
fine with 105K on the clock. The Civic has 110K on the clock.
The only difference is the Tempo has never broken down and the
Civic had the transmission replace for $3,000, at 89K and the
half shafts were replaced shortly thereafter and now the head
gasket is leaking. So much for superior Japanese quality it
seems ;)


mike hunt



Ashton Crusher wrote:
>
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:07:08 -0500, Some ga <someguy@address.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:49:38 -0500, DustyRhoades@mailcity.com wrote:
> >><snip>
> >>The Mazda warranty is 4/50, Ford is 3/36. Both vehicles are
> >>built on the same Ford assembly line, the ONLY difference in the
> >>two is cosmetic, nothing should be different in the way they
> >>perform
> >><snip>

> >
> >Hmmm..... wonder why people keep buying Jap products.

>
> Because their actual better quality of 15 years ago is still believed
> to be true. A friend of mine keeps buying used "imports" that are
> checked by his mechanic and are in "great shape" and then invariably
> he has to sink $1000 in them within 6 months. I buy American gvt
> surplus vehicles and drive them for 2 years and don't put that much in
> them, plus I pay half what he pays to buy them. Old myths die hard.

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Old 03-20-2005, 12:01   #6 (permalink)
Shazam
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Re: comparison question

thanks for the opinions. I used to have a 1992 Ford Festiva, and when
I lost my job, my brother bought it from me...pretty much just took
over the payments, and it's on it's last days, but my bro said that he
wished he could get another one. When I had it, I enjoyed it...the
fuel economy was awesome.

The guy that I mentioned about, the ex-service manager from the local
Ford dealership said that he was disaapointed with the way domestic
vehicles are made nowadays, and that's why he doesn't work at the
dealership anymore....his concience got to him, and now will only
drive imports....



On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:27:57 -0500, Mayor2@ptdprolog.net wrote:

>In 2001 I bought a 1992 Ford Tempo, with a V6 and 52K on
>the clock, for my one grandson when he turned sixteen. A year
>later the engine in one of his older sisters Carolla died with
>98K on the clock so he gave her the Tempo with 61K on the clock.
>He wented a Civic. Personally I only buy cars made in the US by
>an American company and would not buy him the Civic. He bought
>himself a 1996 Covic with 78K on the clock. He paid $2,000 more
>than the current NADA retail. Today the Tempo is still running
>fine with 105K on the clock. The Civic has 110K on the clock.
>The only difference is the Tempo has never broken down and the
>Civic had the transmission replace for $3,000, at 89K and the
>half shafts were replaced shortly thereafter and now the head
>gasket is leaking. So much for superior Japanese quality it
>seems ;)
>
>
>mike hunt
>
>
>
>Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:07:08 -0500, Some ga <someguy@address.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:49:38 -0500, DustyRhoades@mailcity.com wrote:
>> >><snip>
>> >>The Mazda warranty is 4/50, Ford is 3/36. Both vehicles are
>> >>built on the same Ford assembly line, the ONLY difference in the
>> >>two is cosmetic, nothing should be different in the way they
>> >>perform
>> >><snip>
>> >
>> >Hmmm..... wonder why people keep buying Jap products.

>>
>> Because their actual better quality of 15 years ago is still believed
>> to be true. A friend of mine keeps buying used "imports" that are
>> checked by his mechanic and are in "great shape" and then invariably
>> he has to sink $1000 in them within 6 months. I buy American gvt
>> surplus vehicles and drive them for 2 years and don't put that much in
>> them, plus I pay half what he pays to buy them. Old myths die hard.


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Old 03-20-2005, 12:01   #7 (permalink)
Rodney
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Re: comparison question

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:40:46 -0500, Shazam wrote:

> The guy that I mentioned about, the ex-service manager from the local
> Ford dealership said that he was disaapointed with the way domestic
> vehicles are made nowadays, and that's why he doesn't work at the
> dealership anymore....his concience got to him, and now will only
> drive imports....


Two possibilities...
a) He got fired from the Ford dealership.
b) The Suzuki dealership was desperate and made him a better offer.

Nice cover story though. It makes him sound noble and insightful.

Rodney

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Old 03-20-2005, 14:01   #8 (permalink)
Jeff
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Re: comparison question


"Some ga" <someguy@address.com> wrote in message
news:oi8p31dg0r7ig2f3pi6sht602d6qoh1jlu@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:49:38 -0500, DustyRhoades@mailcity.com wrote:
>><snip>
>>The Mazda warranty is 4/50, Ford is 3/36. Both vehicles are
>>built on the same Ford assembly line, the ONLY difference in the
>>two is cosmetic, nothing should be different in the way they
>>perform
>><snip>

>
> Hmmm..... wonder why people keep buying Jap products.


They are both American trucks.

Jeff


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Old 03-20-2005, 16:01   #9 (permalink)
Hank
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<Mayor2@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:423DC0AD.401AD3F7@ptdprolog.net...
> In 2001 I bought a 1992 Ford Tempo, with a V6 and 52K on
> the clock, for my one grandson when he turned sixteen. A year
> later the engine in one of his older sisters Carolla died with
> 98K on the clock so he gave her the Tempo with 61K on the clock.
> He wented a Civic. Personally I only buy cars made in the US by
> an American company and would not buy him the Civic. He bought
> himself a 1996 Covic with 78K on the clock. He paid $2,000 more
> than the current NADA retail. Today the Tempo is still running
> fine with 105K on the clock. The Civic has 110K on the clock.
> The only difference is the Tempo has never broken down and the
> Civic had the transmission replace for $3,000, at 89K and the
> half shafts were replaced shortly thereafter and now the head
> gasket is leaking. So much for superior Japanese quality it
> seems ;)
>
>
> mike hunt
>


I have bought many cars and trucks in my years. Toyota has been the best. I
last bought was a new 01 Dakota that still doesn't have the right oil
dipstick and the dealer/factory couldn't figure it out so I just filed a
make on the high side and low side, radio is shot, needed brakes,needs tires
and a few other minor problems. It now has 33K miles on it.

Two days before I bought the Dakota, I bought my wife a new 01 Hyundai Sante
Fe. To date I had to take it in for a "crank positioning sensor" replacement
that took about an hour, that is all. It has 56K miles and still has the
original tires and looks as if I may get another 15K out of them.

I read yesterday that Hyundai was picked as the "best bet" for overall
safety, value, dependability and etc.

Hank <~~~gonna try a chevy truck next


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Old 03-20-2005, 16:01   #10 (permalink)
3 dog nite@swatch.com
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:28:45 -0500, Shazam <shazam@nospam.vianet.ca>
wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>I'm in the process of shopping around for a new vehicle...finally had
>enough of my 2000 Jeep TJ.
>
>So far, I test drove the 2005 Mazda Tribute GX-V6, at roughly
>$29000CAD, and the 2005 Ford Escape XLS at $30200CAD.
>
>I really liked the take-off and road handling on the Mazda, and the
>Ford had a good road handling. Both seem to have the same Fuel
>economy. As for cosmetics, I preferred the layout of the console in
>the Mazda.
>
>So far, from what I've read, Mazda has a better warranty, and it
>somewhat a little less expensive, which I still have to negotiate
>price with the dealer. as for servicing, I have no idea what to expect
>from the local Mazda dealer, and the local Ford dealer has a new owner
>for the past 3 years or so, and from what people say, they aren't
>impressed with the service...this came from the ex-service manager
>from the Ford dealership...so that's a selling point for me.
>
>My father, good heart, but insists I check out another Ford
>dealership, and has been a Ford man since I can remember. He called a
>dealer in a small village about 1 hour away (in the middle of
>nowhere), and was told that I can get an XLT for $32000, and my father
>says that I'd be able to get an XLS for $25000....that's fine and
>dandy, but if they are the same, I think I'd prefer the Madza V6 with
>the above mentioned pros towards Mazda, and the fact that if I have
>problems with the Ford, and I'd bring it to the local dealer, what
>kind of service can I expect if i don't buy it from them.
>
>So all this to say that I'm a little torn, and am wondering if I'm
>missing some things to look for as a comparison...1 thing I forgot to
>ask each dealership was on "loaners" if I need servicing, seeing that
>it's imperative that I need a vehicle for work.
>
>So far, the Mazda seems like the logical choice, but still have to see
>what each dealer will give me on my trade-in.
>
>If anyone has any ideas what else I can look for, please let me know.
>thanks



run away from ford

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