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Old 03-14-2005, 22:01   #1 (permalink)
Martik
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EGR system plugged

1980 Ford Tbird 255CID. (similar to 302)

1. Is this a vacuum actuated valve or backpressure type. It does not respond
to full vacuum.

2. I assume the passage into the intake is blocked because the idle does not
change when I open the valve and I cannot blow compressed air thru it.
Plenty of exhaust air is getting to the valve. Problem is that I cannot find
any opening into the intake manifold. There is a passageway towards the carb
about 1/2" wide and 1 1/2" long but using various bent wires, coat hangers
etc I cannot find any way into the manifold.


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Old 03-14-2005, 23:01   #2 (permalink)
sleepdog@optonline.net
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Re: EGR system plugged

It might be both, a backpressure variable transducer type egr would use
vacuum and backpressure to actuate the valve under different
conditions. Have no idea if this applies to your case but the 1990
Escort GT uses this type egr.

If it is not responding is the pintle clogged with carbon deposits?
Try cleaning the pintle if not already, egr valves are expensive and
for a 1980 good luck finding one.

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Old 03-15-2005, 00:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: EGR system plugged

I'm not familiar with your combination (even though I had a 1981 Cougar with
the same motor for a brief period). Some of these had an EGR cooler mounted
to the carb base plate..... My DVD manuals don't go back even close to that
far but you may want to study your installation closely.

Our area has always been pick ups and cars are usually one of those
"reaching for knowledge" type projects. Do you have an identifiable
driveability concern ? The EGR cooler may present some unique
considerations.

Sorry I can't be more helpful ( I just know someones gonna pick up on this)
but advice has to start from somewhere and "it's old - get rid of it"
doesn't necessarily fit everyones budget...


"Martik" <martik@telus.net> wrote in message
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> 1980 Ford Tbird 255CID. (similar to 302)
>
> 1. Is this a vacuum actuated valve or backpressure type. It does not

respond
> to full vacuum.
>
> 2. I assume the passage into the intake is blocked because the idle does

not
> change when I open the valve and I cannot blow compressed air thru it.
> Plenty of exhaust air is getting to the valve. Problem is that I cannot

find
> any opening into the intake manifold. There is a passageway towards the

carb
> about 1/2" wide and 1 1/2" long but using various bent wires, coat hangers
> etc I cannot find any way into the manifold.
>
>



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Old 03-15-2005, 02:01   #4 (permalink)
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"Jim Warman" <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not familiar with your combination (even though I had a 1981 Cougar
> with
> the same motor for a brief period). Some of these had an EGR cooler
> mounted
> to the carb base plate..... My DVD manuals don't go back even close to
> that
> far but you may want to study your installation closely.
>
> Our area has always been pick ups and cars are usually one of those
> "reaching for knowledge" type projects. Do you have an identifiable
> driveability concern ? The EGR cooler may present some unique
> considerations.
>
> Sorry I can't be more helpful ( I just know someones gonna pick up on
> this)
> but advice has to start from somewhere and "it's old - get rid of it"
> doesn't necessarily fit everyones budget...


There is no cooler in this application. My main concern is how to clear the
passage into the intake manifold. No driveability problems just need to pass
smog test for collector plates.


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Old 03-15-2005, 08:01   #5 (permalink)
Tom Adkins
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Re: EGR system plugged

Martik wrote:
> 1980 Ford Tbird 255CID. (similar to 302)
>
> 1. Is this a vacuum actuated valve or backpressure type. It does not respond
> to full vacuum.
>
> 2. I assume the passage into the intake is blocked because the idle does not
> change when I open the valve and I cannot blow compressed air thru it.
> Plenty of exhaust air is getting to the valve. Problem is that I cannot find
> any opening into the intake manifold. There is a passageway towards the carb
> about 1/2" wide and 1 1/2" long but using various bent wires, coat hangers
> etc I cannot find any way into the manifold.
>
>

Your EGR valve is mounted to a spacer plate under the carb, correct?
All of the passages are in this plate. Remove the carb and plate, the passages can
be seen from the bottom. You will likely find the plate clogged with carbon. It sounds
like you have the valve off right now, you should have a large vacuum leak with the
car running. These plates had a habit of eroding between the vacuum and exhaust ports.
If, after cleaning, the casting looks thin then replace the plate. They used to be
available at parts stores but I haven't bought one in quite some time.
(You may find the passages have been filled with epoxy or something of that nature,
it was a common thing for people who wanted to "get rid of that emissions crap" back
then).
On reassembly, be sure to use the correct carb and spacer gaskets. There were a few
different configurations.
Regards, Tom Adkins
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Old 03-15-2005, 15:01   #6 (permalink)
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"Tom Adkins" <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Martik wrote:
>> 1980 Ford Tbird 255CID. (similar to 302)
>>
>> 1. Is this a vacuum actuated valve or backpressure type. It does not
>> respond
>> to full vacuum.
>>
>> 2. I assume the passage into the intake is blocked because the idle does
>> not
>> change when I open the valve and I cannot blow compressed air thru it.
>> Plenty of exhaust air is getting to the valve. Problem is that I cannot
>> find
>> any opening into the intake manifold. There is a passageway towards the
>> carb
>> about 1/2" wide and 1 1/2" long but using various bent wires, coat
>> hangers
>> etc I cannot find any way into the manifold.

> Your EGR valve is mounted to a spacer plate under the carb, correct?
> All of the passages are in this plate. Remove the carb and plate, the
> passages can be seen from the bottom. You will likely find the plate
> clogged with carbon. It sounds like you have the valve off right now, you
> should have a large vacuum leak with the car running. These plates had a
> habit of eroding between the vacuum and exhaust ports. If, after cleaning,
> the casting looks thin then replace the plate. They used to be available
> at parts stores but I haven't bought one in quite some time.
> (You may find the passages have been filled with epoxy or something of
> that nature, it was a common thing for people who wanted to "get rid of
> that emissions crap" back then).
> On reassembly, be sure to use the correct carb and spacer gaskets. There
> were a few different configurations.
> Regards, Tom Adkins


All passages are in the manifold casting below the plate/gasket.

Pictures here: http://www3.telus.net/martik/


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Old 03-15-2005, 16:01   #7 (permalink)
Cory Dunkle
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"Martik" <martik@telus.net> wrote in message
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> 1980 Ford Tbird 255CID. (similar to 302)
>
> 1. Is this a vacuum actuated valve or backpressure type. It does not

respond
> to full vacuum.
>
> 2. I assume the passage into the intake is blocked because the idle does

not
> change when I open the valve and I cannot blow compressed air thru it.
> Plenty of exhaust air is getting to the valve. Problem is that I cannot

find
> any opening into the intake manifold. There is a passageway towards the

carb
> about 1/2" wide and 1 1/2" long but using various bent wires, coat hangers
> etc I cannot find any way into the manifold.


From the pictures it would appear as though the EGR passage leads right from
the place the EGR valve mounts to the openings on each plenum of the intake.
What I would do is get some strong carb cleaner (I live Valvoline SynPower,
it's strong stuff) and spray it down the EGR passage that goes to the
intake/under the carb. If you don't see any coming out the passages under
the carb it is clogged/plugged. If that is the case I'd fill it up with
cleaner until it came out the plate the EGR valve mounts to and let it sit.
Perhaps that will dissolve the buildup/clog.

Cory


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Old 03-15-2005, 17:01   #8 (permalink)
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Martik wrote:

>
>
> All passages are in the manifold casting below the plate/gasket.
>
> Pictures here: http://www3.telus.net/martik/
>
>


AAAhhh, I forgot about that style intake. I missed in the original post where you said
the motor was a 255. The vacuum passages are there in the throttle bores. They should
be open back to the EGR mount.
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Old 03-15-2005, 20:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: EGR system plugged

A 1/4" drill bit turned by hand finally cleared the passage!


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