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Old 10-17-2005, 08:01   #1 (permalink)
Cory Dunkle
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Lots of water in crankcase... Oh my that was a big puddle...

I went wheelin' last night in the F-150 ('83 stepside with a 302 and 4
speed). I got a little too ambitious when we got to the part where everyone
one-ups the previous guy. So I ended up nose-diving into a huge rut and my
truck became more of a submarine than a truck. Water about up to the top of
the distributor.

As the truck was filling with water I was trying to get out of the rut by
rocking back and forth and almost had it, but the water got too deep and I
didn't want to destroy my engien by sucking water in so I gave up and got
dragged out. Drained about two gallons of oily water out of the engine, put
new oil in, whacked the starter a few times to free up the gear, and she
fired right up. Slight tap at idle now and oil pressure gauge is lower than
it had been (in middle of "NORMAL" range on the stock gauge).

Today I'm gonna change the oil and filter (didn't have a filter with me when
I was out in the woods), grease everthing, and change my differential and
tranny gear oil. Hopefully nothing is too badly damaged. I ahve a feeling
one weeekend soon I may be putting new bearings in the 302. Thankfully not
terribly expensive, but a pain in the arse nonetheless. I also have another
302 laying around that I could use, so that is an option too. We shall see.

What are all your thoughts on the damage done. Anything else I should do
considering how deep the truck was in the water? Also, how about thoughts on
sealing off the crankcase to prevent water from getting in there to begin
with. Where can water enter the crankcase? Valve covers, dipstick tube...
Anywhere else?

Cory


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Old 10-17-2005, 12:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Lots of water in crankcase... Oh my that was a big puddle...


Cory Dunkle (no spam) wrote:
> I went wheelin' last night in the F-150 ('83 stepside with a 302 and 4
> speed). I got a little too ambitious when we got to the part where everyone
> one-ups the previous guy. So I ended up nose-diving into a huge rut and my
> truck became more of a submarine than a truck. Water about up to the top of
> the distributor.


Dude! You have serious thrill issues...

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Old 10-17-2005, 14:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Lots of water in crankcase... Oh my that was a big puddle...

"Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net>

> What are all your thoughts on the damage done. Anything else I should
> do considering how deep the truck was in the water? Also, how about
> thoughts on sealing off the crankcase to prevent water from getting in
> there to begin with. Where can water enter the crankcase? Valve
> covers, dipstick tube... Anywhere else?


Next time, remember you CAN just drain the filter.

Run engine to warm and drain oil again

Rule of thumb: Imagine the engine turned upside down... does oil run out
the valve covers?

I'd think about the diff and tranny if I were you... they have breathers
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Old 10-17-2005, 22:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Lots of water in crankcase... Oh my that was a big puddle...

"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
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> "Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net>
>
> > What are all your thoughts on the damage done. Anything else I should
> > do considering how deep the truck was in the water? Also, how about
> > thoughts on sealing off the crankcase to prevent water from getting in
> > there to begin with. Where can water enter the crankcase? Valve
> > covers, dipstick tube... Anywhere else?

>
> Next time, remember you CAN just drain the filter.


I tried, but unfortunately I could not get the oil filter off and no one had
an oil filter wrench. I think at that point the damage was already done from
trying to get it out under it's own power.

> Run engine to warm and drain oil again
>
> Rule of thumb: Imagine the engine turned upside down... does oil run out
> the valve covers?
>
> I'd think about the diff and tranny if I were you... they have breathers


Well today I changed all the fluids and filters on the truck. Engine has a
light tap at idle and at moderate RPM cruise it taps like the rockers are
loose though that may be an exhaust leak. The truck has side-pipes with
Flowmaster mufflers, so it's pretty loud and hard to tell exactly where the
noises are coming from. The oil pressure gauge now reads higher though,
almost what it was before. I think I will put a mechanical gauge on it soon
to see what it's really doing.

Differentials had some water in the gear oil, but not as much as I expected,
and surprisingly the tranny gear oil wasn't as contaminated as I expected
either. I'm sure it did well to change it all. Also gotta get new u-joints
for the driveshafts. I think I may be staying out of the deep water for a
while.

Really the only places I can imagine oil coming out of/water getting in are
the valve covers where the fill cap/breather and PCV valve attach. Well,
also the dipstick tube. Everything else ought to be sealed pretty tightly,
or at least should be.

Anyhow, what do you think about the diffs and tranny? Should they be alright
now that I've changed the gear oil or should I be doing some overhaul work
and replacing some bearings?


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Old 10-18-2005, 00:01   #5 (permalink)
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>I think I may be staying out of the deep water for a
> while.
>



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Old 10-20-2005, 14:01   #6 (permalink)
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I suggest you also change the PS fluid if you have power steering and the
brake fluid which absorbs water under the best of conditions (i.e. dry all
the time). You are lucky the fan didn't suck itself into the back of the
radiator. Maybe bigger tires would let you float through the really deep
puddles?

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>>I think I may be staying out of the deep water for a
>> while.
>>

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Old 10-27-2005, 18:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Lots of water in crankcase... Oh my that was a big puddle...

Good idea. I've changed the Ps fluid as the pump was making a little noise
at extreme turns of the wheel. These modern vehicles still use Type F for
power steering correct? It didn't say on the cap but every Ford I've ever
owned has used regular tranny fluid for the power steering. Seems to be
working fine so I assume all is well.

Tough little truck this is! I never expected a modern vehicle to be so
reliable and durable. Of course most of the emissions equipment is not there
anymore so that's a good thing for reliability. I'm surprised that the
Duraspark box survived being under water, and actually kept the engine
running while being submerged and resubmerged. Pretty cool.

Cory


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> I suggest you also change the PS fluid if you have power steering and the
> brake fluid which absorbs water under the best of conditions (i.e. dry all
> the time). You are lucky the fan didn't suck itself into the back of the
> radiator. Maybe bigger tires would let you float through the really deep
> puddles?
>
> --
> Greg
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> >> while.
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