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Old 12-23-2005, 18:01   #1 (permalink)
kalaj
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Moog or Motorcraft ? Ball Joints .

Hello ,

I am thinking about replacing ball joints on a 1989 Ford Tempo with
150,000 miles. The lower control arm with the ball joint is replaced
as a unit . There are various brands of ball joints available . It
seems the price of Moog ball joints is about the same as the price of
Motorcraft ball joints . I would like to hear opinions based on your
experience working with these parts . The Moog brand is supposed to
be a high quality product .
NAPA chassis parts is also considered a high quality ball joint .

Some of the other brands I have found are : McQuay-Norris , Perfect
Circle , Spicer , Mevotech , Chassis Select , Coni-Seal , Tread
Saver .

Which of these have you found to provide the best durability and
reliability ?

I usually try to put quality parts on my car . The installation work
involved is the same with any of the brands . To make the effort
worthwhile and achieve good results it makes sense to install good
parts .

I believe there may be readers who have experience with some of these
brands . What would you recommend ? Thanks for the help .

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Old 12-23-2005, 18:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Moog or Motorcraft ? Ball Joints .

Moog has a good reputation. I've used their ball joints before, and they
looked to be very well made (stronger than OEM, in fact). They also had
grease fittings where the originals did not.

Also, keep an eye out for TRW, as they supply a lot of Ford's parts. In
many cases when you buy a Motorcraft suspension component, you're paying
significantly more to get a TRW part in a Motorcraft box.

kalaj wrote:
> Hello ,
>
> I am thinking about replacing ball joints on a 1989 Ford Tempo with
> 150,000 miles. The lower control arm with the ball joint is replaced
> as a unit . There are various brands of ball joints available . It
> seems the price of Moog ball joints is about the same as the price of
> Motorcraft ball joints . I would like to hear opinions based on your
> experience working with these parts . The Moog brand is supposed to
> be a high quality product .
> NAPA chassis parts is also considered a high quality ball joint .
>
> Some of the other brands I have found are : McQuay-Norris , Perfect
> Circle , Spicer , Mevotech , Chassis Select , Coni-Seal , Tread
> Saver .


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Old 12-25-2005, 21:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Moog or Motorcraft ? Ball Joints .

The last mechanic I took my Ford to read me the riot act for not using Ford
(Motorcraft) parts in my Ford product. (I'd put Bosch Platinum plugs in my
Windstar). His argument was that Ford engineers spent $$$ and time figuring
out what the best parts, etc were, so why argue. Anymore, I'd go with the
Ford part.


"Adam" <asmith@chea-nospm-p56k.com> wrote in message
news:1135385904.697160@hosting.ispresults.com...
> Moog has a good reputation. I've used their ball joints before, and they
> looked to be very well made (stronger than OEM, in fact). They also had
> grease fittings where the originals did not.
>
> Also, keep an eye out for TRW, as they supply a lot of Ford's parts. In
> many cases when you buy a Motorcraft suspension component, you're paying
> significantly more to get a TRW part in a Motorcraft box.
>
> kalaj wrote:
>> Hello ,
>>
>> I am thinking about replacing ball joints on a 1989 Ford Tempo with
>> 150,000 miles. The lower control arm with the ball joint is replaced
>> as a unit . There are various brands of ball joints available . It
>> seems the price of Moog ball joints is about the same as the price of
>> Motorcraft ball joints . I would like to hear opinions based on your
>> experience working with these parts . The Moog brand is supposed to
>> be a high quality product .
>> NAPA chassis parts is also considered a high quality ball joint .
>>
>> Some of the other brands I have found are : McQuay-Norris , Perfect
>> Circle , Spicer , Mevotech , Chassis Select , Coni-Seal , Tread
>> Saver .

>
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Old 12-26-2005, 10:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Moog or Motorcraft ? Ball Joints .

GMach3 wrote:
> The last mechanic I took my Ford to read me the riot act for not using Ford
> (Motorcraft) parts in my Ford product. (I'd put Bosch Platinum plugs in my
> Windstar). His argument was that Ford engineers spent $$$ and time figuring
> out what the best parts, etc were, so why argue. Anymore, I'd go with the
> Ford part.
>
>


Bosch Platinum plugs often cause lots of problems in Ford vehicles for some reason.
Especially in 4.6\5.4 engines. They are generally considered a no no for Ford
vehicles. I agree with your mechanic on a lot parts, but suspension parts arent one.
Motorcraft susp. parts are rebranded TRW last I heard. I prefer MOOG, but can't
honestly say why.
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Old 12-27-2005, 17:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Moog or Motorcraft ? Ball Joints .

Perhaps your mechanic should have been a little more specific.

Bosch Plat plugs are crap in many ford engines, NOT just those mentioned
.... also in the 3.8 and 2.3's from my observation. But he likely wouldnt
have been upset at Bosch Oxy sensors.
though I am unhappy with there marketing that suggests you should change
them more often than needed.


And despite all the 'brands' I doubt there are more than one or two
actual manufacturers of the integrated ball joint / control arms.


"GMach3" <gmach@gkmtradingdot.com> wrote:

> The last mechanic I took my Ford to read me the riot act for not using
> Ford (Motorcraft) parts in my Ford product. (I'd put Bosch Platinum
> plugs in my Windstar). His argument was that Ford engineers spent $$$
> and time figuring out what the best parts, etc were, so why argue.
> Anymore, I'd go with the Ford part.
>
>
> "Adam" <asmith@chea-nospm-p56k.com> wrote in message
> news:1135385904.697160@hosting.ispresults.com...
>> Moog has a good reputation. I've used their ball joints before, and
>> they looked to be very well made (stronger than OEM, in fact). They
>> also had grease fittings where the originals did not.
>>
>> Also, keep an eye out for TRW, as they supply a lot of Ford's parts.
>> In many cases when you buy a Motorcraft suspension component, you're
>> paying significantly more to get a TRW part in a Motorcraft box.
>>
>> kalaj wrote:
>>> Hello ,
>>>
>>> I am thinking about replacing ball joints on a 1989 Ford Tempo with
>>> 150,000 miles. The lower control arm with the ball joint is
>>> replaced as a unit . There are various brands of ball joints
>>> available . It seems the price of Moog ball joints is about the
>>> same as the price of Motorcraft ball joints . I would like to hear
>>> opinions based on your experience working with these parts . The
>>> Moog brand is supposed to be a high quality product .
>>> NAPA chassis parts is also considered a high quality ball joint .
>>>
>>> Some of the other brands I have found are : McQuay-Norris ,
>>> Perfect Circle , Spicer , Mevotech , Chassis Select , Coni-Seal
>>> , Tread Saver .



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Old 12-28-2005, 15:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Moog or Motorcraft ? Ball Joints .

Hello ,

On two occasions I have tried Bosch platinum spark plugs in Ford
motors. The first time in a 1973 351 C eight cylinder motor , and
the next time in a 1989 2.3 four cylinder motor . The idea of four
ground electodes seems to be nonsense , because when you look at the
used plug you can see that the spark has always traveled to only one
electrode . The other electrodes seem to provide an area for deposits
to accumulate . This leads to misfires and the motor runs poorly .

Now a word about oxygen sensors . When I removed the original oxygen
sensor from my 1989 Ford Tempo after many miles I could see that it was
made by NGK . I felt that if Ford selected the NGK oxygen sensor for
this motor , then I would replace it with a new NGK part . That is what
I did and it has provided excellent service .

Now back to spark plugs for a moment. When I wanted to put in new
spark plugs I wanted to utilize the latest technology to perhaps extend
the useful life of my 1989 automobile . At that time there were only
two makes of iridium spark plugs available for this motor , Denso and
NGK . I chose the NGK iridium plugs and they have been excellent.
As time went on I see that Autolite/ Motorcraft now offer iridium spark
plugs . I have not yet tried their iridium plugs.

Now I turn to the question : Should we always use Ford/ Motorcraft
parts in a Ford automobile ? I recently replaced the front disc brake
rotors on the Tempo . I purchased the best Raybestos rotors , made in
Canada . They work very well , and I am pleased . The fact that the
rotors are made in Canada seems somehow appropriate because my Tempo
was made in Canada . Some Ford Tempos were made in USA and some were
made in Canada .

To those who have posted here : I have read your comments . I
welcome the information that you contribute . We each gain something
when we share our experiences . Cheers .

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Old 12-28-2005, 22:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Moog or Motorcraft ? Ball Joints .


>
> Now I turn to the question : Should we always use Ford/ Motorcraft
> parts in a Ford automobile ? I recently replaced the front disc brake
> rotors on the Tempo . I purchased the best Raybestos rotors , made in
> Canada . They work very well , and I am pleased . The fact that the
> rotors are made in Canada seems somehow appropriate because my Tempo
> was made in Canada . Some Ford Tempos were made in USA and some were
> made in Canada .
>


I wouldn't say "always". Motorcraft parts are made by other manufacturers and
rebranded. There are times when non-Motorcraft parts can cause problems, such as with
spark plugs. I don't know who makes Motorcraft plugs, but Bosch and Champion plugs
will nearly always cause problems in a Ford vehicle. In the case of steering and
suspension parts, Motorcraft parts are (or were) made by TRW. Using TRW parts wouldn't
be a concern. In your rotor example you didn't use Motorcraft rotors, but chose a
quality replacement part. There should be no problem at all.
Where there will be problems is chosing cheap Brand X parts over quality name brand
parts such as Motorcraft, TRW, Raybestos, Moog, etc.
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Old 12-29-2005, 21:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Moog or Motorcraft ? Ball Joints .

On 23 Dec 2005 16:01:22 -0800, "kalaj" <kalajmar@peoplepc.com> wrote:

>I am thinking about replacing ball joints on a 1989 Ford Tempo with
>150,000 miles. The lower control arm with the ball joint is replaced
>as a unit . There are various brands of ball joints available . It


Ford or Moog, whichever has a grease zerk.
(Genuine Ford probably won't have one)

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