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Old 07-24-2005, 13:01   #1 (permalink)
Ralf
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Off Topic! But a MUST READ




Long Read - but please take the time. thanks RG



Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005

Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publishing house Axel
Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT (The World),
Germany's largest daily newspaper, against the timid reaction of Europe in
the face of the *****ic threat.



EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE

Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG

A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in WELT AM SONNTAG (Sunday World):
"Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get
out of your head because it's so terribly true. Appeasement cost millions
of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies at the time,
negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be
fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then
East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for decades,
inhuman, suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the
ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even
though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated
and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans
had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do
our work for us.

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement,
camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide
bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly
500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by
the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad
grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics
of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions,
in the corrupt UN. Oil-for-Food program. And now we are faced with a
particularly grotesque form of appeasement... How is Germany reacting to
the escalating violence by *****ic fundamentalists in Holland and
elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in
Germany.

I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German)
Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people,
actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will
somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical *****ists. One cannot
help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty
signed by Adolf Hitler, and declaring European "Peace in our time".

What else has to happen before the European public and its political
leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially
perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims,
focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies,
and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great
military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy
that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually
spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be
taken by the *****ists for signs of weakness.

Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for
anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. His American critics may quibble over
the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald
Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50
years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the
Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in
the *****ic War against democracy. His place in history will have to be
evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the
multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and
being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true
great powers, America and China.

On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those
"arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even
(Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why?
Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic,
so devoid of a moral compass.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of
additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the
American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what
is at stake - literally everything.

While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they
seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare
systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss
reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of
paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach
out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".

These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands,
frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber
breaking into a neighbor's house.

Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice.

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Old 07-24-2005, 13:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Off Topic! But a MUST READ

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:57:09 -0400, "Ralf" <xstream@highstream.net>
wrote:

>
>
>
>Long Read - but please take the time. thanks RG
>
>

To bad it's mostly bullshit. Here's just one easy knockdown...


>


snip
>
> Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for
> anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. His American critics may quibble over
> the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald
> Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50
> years of terror and virtual slavery.



How nice that you can give only your favorite actor credit for things
done by many. But just to focus on the issue of "appeasement" and how
it applies to Reagan......

When the US barracks in Beirut were blown up by terrorists killing
hundreds of American troops Reagan didn't go in and blow up half the
country. Instead he pulled the US out of the area, what this idiot
author would call appeasement. This author, and you, seem to have
this huge blind spot where you can't see American aggression and
taunts, you can only see the reaction to it.

There are few things that are simple and clear cut, the "Muslim" issue
is one of them. But anyone who buys into the lie that they "hate our
freedom" is a fool. They don't give a rat's ass about our freedom,
they just want US to give them the same courtesy we demand, which is
to stay our of THEIR(our) internal affairs.

One other thing I suspect you have bought, hook line and sinker, is
the LIE that IRAQ attacked the US on 9/11. They did not. Saudi
Arabia, our alleged friend, did... not directly, but the Saudis
allowed these kinds of radicals to live and operate for years with
their tacit approval.

Another lie you most likely believe, is that we needed the Patriot Act
to respond. Since investigations since 9/11 have shown that we KNEW
EVERYTHING we needed to stop the attack, it is clear that the ONLY
thing we needed was to have some FOCUS on these kinds of terrorists,
we didn't need any new laws, just competent people using the then
existing laws. You can blame Bush for his decision to ignore the
warnings given by the outgoing Clinton Administration people till
after it was too late.
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Old 07-24-2005, 15:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Off Topic! But a MUST READ

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:21:23 -0700, Ashton Crusher <Hello@nowhere.net>
wrote:
>
>How nice that you can give only your favorite actor credit for things
>done by many. But just to focus on the issue of "appeasement" and how
>it applies to Reagan......
>

How can YOU give only the Clintons and Gores credit for what went
before they ever arrived on the scene? You have bought into the
propaganda of the opposition, yet condemn it in anyone who holds an
opposite view.

Without solid proof, you have accepted what the supporters of the
Clinton Administration would have the public believe. The same
administration which took us into Bosnia and yet condemned Bush for
going into Iraq.

I suspect you were not personally a witness to anything which
transpired in the seats of power during the decision making of either
party, but have accepted second or third hand what has been said. You
have likely accepted anything printed or aired which supports the
Clintonite position, even while rejecting anything which would support
or favor Bush. You condemn the same thing in others that you do.

Reagan may not be all that his image would suggest. However, it is a
fact that the world in general held a higher level of respect for the
US during his administration than for some time before or since. Not
because he was a great politician, but because he was decisive, and
when he made a decision, he followed through with it to whatever
extent he could while upholding the very ideals which made this a
great nation for generations.

He exemplified those attributes for which this country was respected
for generations; until the post WWII period, and from that time it has
steadily, and with increasing speed, declined in the eyes of the
world. Those attributes which have seriously faded in the eyes of the
world. Among those, the idea of believing in something and sticking to
it. He presented an image of strength of conviction for the entire
country on the world stage... something we have lacked.

The world has set back and watched the erosion of that which made this
nation great. Watched as what was once a rule by the majority, become
one where those same ideals established by the Founding Fathers became
illegal over the objections of the majority. Watched as the "great
melting pot" of the "great experiment" began to fail. Where once
people came here to become assimilated as Americans, they now arrive
and remain what they were, only in a new place, and the majority are
expected, even mandated to accept this change. Where once we were
diverse coming together, we are now factions fighting each other.

And it's BOTH Democrats and Republicans who are responsible equally.

One thing everyone, including you, must admit about Reagan. While all
politicians are essentially actors.... Reagan was the only
professional actor, good or bad, in the presidency. The rest are
amateurs. : )

As for the Muslims; they do have a goal of the world being 100%
devoted to *****. That is fact. The difference is in the means of
achievement. The majority of Muslims abhor the terrorist's means.

World domination by religion goes far back in history. Consider the
intent and impact of the Catholic Church upon the civilizations of the
New World. Convert or die... or in many cases, convert AND die. It has
more to do with power than belief. This does NOT mean all Catholics
wanted to kill non-Catholics. The extremist view exists everywhere; in
religion, in politics, etc. Meanwhile, the masses, who believe in
their way as the only way, are more concerned with their own survival;
of the crops not failing and their family starving. So it has always
been.

So, how nice that you can only give credit to the Clintons, et al, for
things that were actually done by many, and condemn another who
happens to hold the opposite viewpoint. There is the American way in
action.

Spike
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Old 07-24-2005, 16:01   #4 (permalink)
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Unfortunately many in Europe and even in the US still do not
realize the world is at war with all of the radical *****ic
terrorist groups of the world, not only Al Qaida. We must fight
those with their distorted theology wherever they may be because
their goal is to enslave the world just as it was for Hitler.

More disconcerting is the fact many in the US are using some
peoples naivety about why we are in Iraq, by continually trying
to separate it from the war on terrorist, for political gain.

Terrorist alert colors for many parts of Europe, developed by
the French.

Blue Low
Yellow Hide
Orange RUN
RED SURRENDER


mike hunt



Ralf wrote:
>
> Long Read - but please take the time. thanks RG
>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005
>
> Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publishing house Axel
> Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT (The World),
> Germany's largest daily newspaper, against the timid reaction of Europe in
> the face of the *****ic threat.
>
> EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE
>
> Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG
>
> A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in WELT AM SONNTAG (Sunday World):
> "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get
> out of your head because it's so terribly true. Appeasement cost millions
> of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies at the time,
> negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be
> fought, not bound to toothless agreements.
>
> Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then
> East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for decades,
> inhuman, suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the
> ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.
>
> Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even
> though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated
> and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans
> had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do
> our work for us.
>
> Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European appeasement,
> camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide
> bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.
>
> Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly
> 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by
> the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad
> grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics
> of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions,
> in the corrupt UN. Oil-for-Food program. And now we are faced with a
> particularly grotesque form of appeasement... How is Germany reacting to
> the escalating violence by *****ic fundamentalists in Holland and
> elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in
> Germany.
>
> I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German)
> Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people,
> actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will
> somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical *****ists. One cannot
> help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty
> signed by Adolf Hitler, and declaring European "Peace in our time".
>
> What else has to happen before the European public and its political
> leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially
> perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims,
> focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies,
> and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.
>
> It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great
> military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy
> that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually
> spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be
> taken by the *****ists for signs of weakness.
>
> Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for
> anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. His American critics may quibble over
> the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald
> Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50
> years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the
> Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in
> the *****ic War against democracy. His place in history will have to be
> evaluated after a number of years have passed.
>
> In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the
> multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and
> being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true
> great powers, America and China.
>
> On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those
> "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even
> (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why?
> Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic,
> so devoid of a moral compass.
>
> For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of
> additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the
> American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what
> is at stake - literally everything.
>
> While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they
> seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare
> systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss
> reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of
> paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach
> out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".
>
> These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands,
> frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber
> breaking into a neighbor's house.
>
> Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice.
>
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Old 07-24-2005, 16:01   #5 (permalink)
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My I ask what color is the sky in your world? You should have
said in my opinion because what you believe is not historically
correct. Even the head of the Russian KGB said "President
Regains decision to out spend us on defense was brilliant, he
know there was no way our economy could compete with out
collapsing." LOL


mike hunt



Ashton Crusher wrote:

To bad it's mostly bullshit. Here's just one easy knockdown...

How nice that you can give only your favorite actor credit for
things
done by many.

>
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:57:09 -0400, "Ralf" <xstream@highstream.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005


Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publishing
house Axel
Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT (The
World),
Germany's largest daily newspaper, against the timid reaction
of
Europe in
the face of the *****ic threat.



EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE

Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG

A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in WELT AM SONNTAG (Sunday
World):
"Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you
can't get
out of your head because it's so terribly true. Appeasement
cost
millions
of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies
at
the time,
negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that
Hitler
had to be
fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet
Union, then
East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for
decades,
inhuman, suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as
the
ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in
Kosovo,
and even
though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we
Europeans
debated
and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally
the
Americans
had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet
again,
and do
our work for us.

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European
appeasement,
camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now
countenances
suicide
bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore
nearly
500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and,
motivated by
the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to
issue
bad
grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the
loudest
critics
of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS
of
billions,
in the corrupt UN. Oil-for-Food program. And now we are faced
with a
particularly grotesque form of appeasement... How is Germany
reacting to
the escalating violence by *****ic fundamentalists in Holland
and
elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim
Holiday" in
Germany.

I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of
our
(German)
Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German
people,
actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim
Holiday"
will
somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical *****ists.
One
cannot
help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the
laughable
treaty
signed by Adolf Hitler, and declaring European "Peace in our
time".

What else has to happen before the European public and its
political
leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an
especially
perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic
Muslims,
focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western
societies,
and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of
the
great
military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted
by an
enemy
that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is
actually
spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will
always be
taken by the *****ists for signs of weakness.

Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for
anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. His American critics may
quibble over
the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first
hand: Ronald
Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people
from
nearly 50
years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only
by
the
Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized
the
danger in
the *****ic War against democracy. His place in history will
have
to be
evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic
self-confidence
in the
multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's
values and
being an attractive center of power on the same playing field
as
the true
great powers, America and China.

On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast
to
those
"arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance",
which
even
(Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably
criticizes.
Why?
Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so
materialistic,
so devoid of a moral compass.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge
amounts
of
additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden
on
the
American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush
realizes what
is at stake - literally everything.

While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America
because they
seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social
Welfare
systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather
discuss
reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4
weeks of
paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need
to
"reach
out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".

These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking
hands,
frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a
robber
breaking into a neighbor's house.

Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice.

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> >

> To bad it's mostly bullshit. Here's just one easy knockdown...
>
> >

>


> How nice that you can give only your favorite actor credit for things
> done by many.

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Old 07-25-2005, 08:01   #6 (permalink)
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Well, here's what has happened historically in Europe... continue to
ignore the problem until you cannot anymore, then go lunatic.

We see the thing happening right now... innocent people being attacked
for no other reason than they are arab.

Meantime the young PC idiots bemoan the recent shooting in the tube by
the cop. SOMEHOW the cop SHOULD have known he was "innocent" of being a
bomber... only running because he was illegal.
Of course, if he HAD a bomb in that pack, and the cop DIDNT shoot.

The ONLY people who can resolve this are the Muslims, themselves. As
long as they shelter the imams and sheiks from scrutiny, they are the
problem.

As long as NONE is allowed to criticize from outside, and those who do
from inside are labelled heretic, this will get worse.

Read up on "christianity in the dark ages".... that's what it is.

MajorDomo@mailcity.com wrote
> More disconcerting is the fact many in the US are using some
> peoples naivety about why we are in Iraq, by continually trying
> to separate it from the war on terrorist, for political gain.
>
> Terrorist alert colors for many parts of Europe, developed by
> the French.
>
> Blue Low
> Yellow Hide
> Orange RUN
> RED SURRENDER
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
> Ralf wrote:


>>
>> These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking
>> hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she
>> notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.
>>
>> Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice.


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Old 07-29-2005, 00:01   #7 (permalink)
Ashton Crusher
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Re: Off Topic! But a MUST READ

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:41:33 -0700, Spike <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:21:23 -0700, Ashton Crusher <Hello@nowhere.net>
>wrote:
>>
>>How nice that you can give only your favorite actor credit for things
>>done by many. But just to focus on the issue of "appeasement" and how
>>it applies to Reagan......
>>

>How can YOU give only the Clintons and Gores credit for what went
>before they ever arrived on the scene? You have bought into the
>propaganda of the opposition, yet condemn it in anyone who holds an
>opposite view.
>
> Without solid proof, you have accepted what the supporters of the
>Clinton Administration would have the public believe. The same
>administration which took us into Bosnia and yet condemned Bush for
>going into Iraq.
>
>I suspect you were not personally a witness to anything which
>transpired in the seats of power during the decision making of either
>party, but have accepted second or third hand what has been said. You
>have likely accepted anything printed or aired which supports the
>Clintonite position, even while rejecting anything which would support
>or favor Bush. You condemn the same thing in others that you do.
>
>Reagan may not be all that his image would suggest. However, it is a
>fact that the world in general held a higher level of respect for the
>US during his administration than for some time before or since. Not
>because he was a great politician, but because he was decisive, and
>when he made a decision, he followed through with it to whatever
>extent he could while upholding the very ideals which made this a
>great nation for generations.
>
>He exemplified those attributes for which this country was respected
>for generations; until the post WWII period, and from that time it has
>steadily, and with increasing speed, declined in the eyes of the
>world. Those attributes which have seriously faded in the eyes of the
>world. Among those, the idea of believing in something and sticking to
>it. He presented an image of strength of conviction for the entire
>country on the world stage... something we have lacked.
>
>The world has set back and watched the erosion of that which made this
>nation great. Watched as what was once a rule by the majority, become
>one where those same ideals established by the Founding Fathers became
>illegal over the objections of the majority. Watched as the "great
>melting pot" of the "great experiment" began to fail. Where once
>people came here to become assimilated as Americans, they now arrive
>and remain what they were, only in a new place, and the majority are
>expected, even mandated to accept this change. Where once we were
>diverse coming together, we are now factions fighting each other.
>
>And it's BOTH Democrats and Republicans who are responsible equally.
>
>One thing everyone, including you, must admit about Reagan. While all
>politicians are essentially actors.... Reagan was the only
>professional actor, good or bad, in the presidency. The rest are
>amateurs. : )
>
>As for the Muslims; they do have a goal of the world being 100%
>devoted to *****. That is fact. The difference is in the means of
>achievement. The majority of Muslims abhor the terrorist's means.
>
>World domination by religion goes far back in history. Consider the
>intent and impact of the Catholic Church upon the civilizations of the
>New World. Convert or die... or in many cases, convert AND die. It has
>more to do with power than belief. This does NOT mean all Catholics
>wanted to kill non-Catholics. The extremist view exists everywhere; in
>religion, in politics, etc. Meanwhile, the masses, who believe in
>their way as the only way, are more concerned with their own survival;
>of the crops not failing and their family starving. So it has always
>been.
>
>So, how nice that you can only give credit to the Clintons, et al, for
>things that were actually done by many, and condemn another who
>happens to hold the opposite viewpoint. There is the American way in
>action.
>



I didn't give Clinton credit for ANYTHING except that his
administration, as they left, told the incoming bush administration
that they should focus immediately on the issue of *****ic terrorism.

I would also note that the US has been held in generally high esteem
under EVERY president in modern times except for one, and that one is
the current president, who has turned the US into the land of
hypocrites and liars who are scorned and laughed at by the rest of the
world.



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Old 07-29-2005, 00:01   #8 (permalink)
Ashton Crusher
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Re: Off Topic! But a MUST READ

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:13:57 -0400, MajorDomo@mailcity.com wrote:

>My I ask what color is the sky in your world? You should have
>said in my opinion because what you believe is not historically
>correct. Even the head of the Russian KGB said "President
>Regains decision to out spend us on defense was brilliant, he
>know there was no way our economy could compete with out
>collapsing." LOL
>


I'm always amazed at how much credence people give to pronouncements
from others when they happen to agree with their preconceived ideas.
And if that same KGB agent had said Reagan was a fool you'd say that
was true also? In any event, if there was a decision to outspend, it
was most likely made by Reagan's astrologer, not by Reagan himself.


>
>mike hunt
>
>
>
>Ashton Crusher wrote:
>
>To bad it's mostly bullshit. Here's just one easy knockdown...
>
>How nice that you can give only your favorite actor credit for
>things
>done by many.
>
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:57:09 -0400, "Ralf" <xstream@highstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005

>
> Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publishing
>house Axel
> Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT (The
>World),
> Germany's largest daily newspaper, against the timid reaction
>of
>Europe in
> the face of the *****ic threat.
>
>
>
> EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE
>
> Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG
>
> A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in WELT AM SONNTAG (Sunday
>World):
> "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you
>can't get
> out of your head because it's so terribly true. Appeasement
>cost
>millions
> of Jews and non-Jews their lives as England and France, allies
>at
>the time,
> negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that
>Hitler
>had to be
> fought, not bound to toothless agreements.
>
> Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet
>Union, then
> East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe where for
>decades,
> inhuman, suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as
>the
> ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.
>
> Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in
>Kosovo,
>and even
> though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we
>Europeans
>debated
> and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally
>the
>Americans
> had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet
>again,
>and do
> our work for us.
>
> Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European
>appeasement,
> camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now
>countenances
>suicide
> bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.
>
> Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore
>nearly
> 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and,
>motivated by
> the self-righteousness of the peace-movement, has the gall to
>issue
>bad
> grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the
>loudest
>critics
> of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS
>of
>billions,
> in the corrupt UN. Oil-for-Food program. And now we are faced
>with a
> particularly grotesque form of appeasement... How is Germany
>reacting to
> the escalating violence by *****ic fundamentalists in Holland
>and
> elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim
>Holiday" in
> Germany.
>
> I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of
>our
>(German)
> Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German
>people,
> actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim
>Holiday"
>will
> somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical *****ists.
>One
>cannot
> help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the
>laughable
>treaty
> signed by Adolf Hitler, and declaring European "Peace in our
>time".
>
> What else has to happen before the European public and its
>political
> leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an
>especially
> perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic
>Muslims,
> focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western
>societies,
> and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.
>
> It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of
>the
>great
> military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted
>by an
>enemy
> that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is
>actually
> spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will
>always be
> taken by the *****ists for signs of weakness.
>
> Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for
> anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush. His American critics may
>quibble over
> the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first
>hand: Ronald
> Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people
>from
>nearly 50
> years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only
>by
>the
> Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized
>the
>danger in
> the *****ic War against democracy. His place in history will
>have
>to be
> evaluated after a number of years have passed.
>
> In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic
>self-confidence
>in the
> multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's
>values and
> being an attractive center of power on the same playing field
>as
>the true
> great powers, America and China.
>
> On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast
>to
>those
> "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance",
>which
>even
> (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably
>criticizes.
>Why?
> Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so
>materialistic,
> so devoid of a moral compass.
>
> For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge
>amounts
>of
> additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden
>on
>the
> American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush
>realizes what
> is at stake - literally everything.
>
> While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America
>because they
> seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social
>Welfare
> systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather
>discuss
> reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4
>weeks of
> paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need
>to
>"reach
> out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".
>
> These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking
>hands,
> frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a
>robber
> breaking into a neighbor's house.
>
> Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice.
>
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>> >

>> To bad it's mostly bullshit. Here's just one easy knockdown...
>>
>> >

>>

>
>> How nice that you can give only your favorite actor credit for things
>> done by many.


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Old 07-29-2005, 00:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Off Topic! But a MUST READ

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:02:48 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:

>Well, here's what has happened historically in Europe... continue to
>ignore the problem until you cannot anymore, then go lunatic.
>
>We see the thing happening right now... innocent people being attacked
>for no other reason than they are arab.
>
>Meantime the young PC idiots bemoan the recent shooting in the tube by
>the cop. SOMEHOW the cop SHOULD have known he was "innocent" of being a
>bomber... only running because he was illegal.
>Of course, if he HAD a bomb in that pack, and the cop DIDNT shoot.
>


Nice try at distortion. They didn't just "shoot" him to stop him. He
WAS stopped and was on the ground whereupon multiple officers shot him
in the head at point blank range. There is no other way to
characterize it other then murder by the police. If you can condone
that kind of murder by the police then you certainly have no right to
object to the "terrorists" hacking off the heads of people they have
captured. There is no difference in outcome, only in the means. And
NEITHER should be acceptable by civilized people. I certainly find
neither acceptable.


>The ONLY people who can resolve this are the Muslims, themselves. As
>long as they shelter the imams and sheiks from scrutiny, they are the
>problem.
>
>As long as NONE is allowed to criticize from outside, and those who do
>from inside are labelled heretic, this will get worse.
>
>Read up on "christianity in the dark ages".... that's what it is.
>
>MajorDomo@mailcity.com wrote
>> More disconcerting is the fact many in the US are using some
>> peoples naivety about why we are in Iraq, by continually trying
>> to separate it from the war on terrorist, for political gain.
>>
>> Terrorist alert colors for many parts of Europe, developed by
>> the French.
>>
>> Blue Low
>> Yellow Hide
>> Orange RUN
>> RED SURRENDER
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>>
>> Ralf wrote:

>
>>>
>>> These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking
>>> hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she
>>> notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.
>>>
>>> Appeasement? Europe, thy name is Cowardice.


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Old 07-29-2005, 05:01   #10 (permalink)
Tom Adkins
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Re: Off Topic! But a MUST READ

Ashton Crusher wrote:
They didn't just "shoot" him to stop him. He
> WAS stopped and was on the ground whereupon multiple officers shot him
> in the head at point blank range.


I hadn't heard this little tidbit. Where did you read\hear\see this information? I'd
like to check it out.
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