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Old 11-10-2005, 13:01   #1 (permalink)
Spike
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OT Oil Shortage

This should explain it all....

A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage
here in the good ol' US of A. After all, when we had the first one
back in '73, President Jimmy Carter assured us it would never happen
again.

Well, there's a simple answer why it has happened again.

Nobody bothered to check the oil, and we just didn't know we were
getting low. This is, of course, for a purely geographical reason...

Our oil is located in Alaska, California, coastal Florida, coastal
Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, and Texas....

Our DIPSTICKS are located in Washington DC!!!!
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Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
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Old 11-10-2005, 20:01   #2 (permalink)
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"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
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> This should explain it all....
>
> A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage
> here in the good ol' US of A. After all, when we had the first one
> back in '73, President Jimmy Carter assured us it would never happen
> again.


Jimmy Carter was not President back in '73. Back then, it was Nixon who was
President.

> Well, there's a simple answer why it has happened again.
>
> Nobody bothered to check the oil, and we just didn't know we were
> getting low. This is, of course, for a purely geographical reason...


The oil companies know their inventory very well. They keep a close eye on
it at all times.

> Our oil is located in Alaska, California, coastal Florida, coastal
> Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, and Texas....


And other places as well, like Michigan.

>
> Our DIPSTICKS are located in Washington DC!!!!


So that is where you live.

Jeff
> --
> Spike
> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
> audio-video...
> See my ride at....
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg



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Old 11-10-2005, 22:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: OT Oil Shortage

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:42:49 GMT, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>news:96b7n1d78t12q384r2391bvb28shj1f1lv@4ax.com...
>> This should explain it all....
>>
>> A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage
>> here in the good ol' US of A. After all, when we had the first one
>> back in '73, President Jimmy Carter assured us it would never happen
>> again.

>
>Jimmy Carter was not President back in '73. Back then, it was Nixon who was
>President.


So what? It's satirical humor, not history... lighten up a little.
>
>> Well, there's a simple answer why it has happened again.
>>
>> Nobody bothered to check the oil, and we just didn't know we were
>> getting low. This is, of course, for a purely geographical reason...

>
>The oil companies know their inventory very well. They keep a close eye on
>it at all times.

Of course they do. How else are they gonna figure how much they can
rake in per year (which does not mean gouging just in case you started
to jump on that, too).

Today we complain (that's a generality) about the lines and the high
prices, and everything else, in exactly the same way we did back then.
>
>> Our oil is located in Alaska, California, coastal Florida, coastal
>> Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, and Texas....

>
>And other places as well, like Michigan.

What? Did you think I intentionally insulted those places not
mentioned? Not so. The vast majority of oil reserves are in the places
mentioned. Since it was meant as humor, it was not intended to be
exact in the details.
>
>>
>> Our DIPSTICKS are located in Washington DC!!!!

>
>So that is where you live.


What happened Jeff? Lose your sense of humor at a rest stop? Come
on.... Lighten up a mite... it's political satire... and notice
please that the "dipsticks" are bi-partisan dipsticks... not just
Republicans or Democrats. So it wasn't Jimmy Carter... big deal. It is
true that the pundits of the time did say they would fix things so it
never happened again... and a lot of those pundits are still in
office.

I think if you take a gander, you're the only one who took it serious
and went off like a sky rocket in flight...

>
>Jeff
>> --
>> Spike
>> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
>> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
>> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
>> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
>> audio-video...
>> See my ride at....
>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg

>

--
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
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Old 11-11-2005, 06:01   #4 (permalink)
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"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:8u78n1tg2fibvpibjj1bpdq1ahgochsln2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:42:49 GMT, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>>news:96b7n1d78t12q384r2391bvb28shj1f1lv@4ax.com...
>>> This should explain it all....
>>>
>>> A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage
>>> here in the good ol' US of A. After all, when we had the first one
>>> back in '73, President Jimmy Carter assured us it would never happen
>>> again.

>>
>>Jimmy Carter was not President back in '73. Back then, it was Nixon who
>>was
>>President.

>
> So what? It's satirical humor, not history... lighten up a little.
>>
>>> Well, there's a simple answer why it has happened again.
>>>
>>> Nobody bothered to check the oil, and we just didn't know we were
>>> getting low. This is, of course, for a purely geographical reason...

>>
>>The oil companies know their inventory very well. They keep a close eye on
>>it at all times.

> Of course they do. How else are they gonna figure how much they can
> rake in per year (which does not mean gouging just in case you started
> to jump on that, too).
>
> Today we complain (that's a generality) about the lines and the high
> prices, and everything else, in exactly the same way we did back then.


Not true. There are very few lines for gas. In the 70s, the lines were very
long and there were widespread shortages.

We may have complained back then, but we didn't learn to do much about
conservation, did we?

>>
>>> Our oil is located in Alaska, California, coastal Florida, coastal
>>> Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, and Texas....

>>
>>And other places as well, like Michigan.

> What? Did you think I intentionally insulted those places not
> mentioned? Not so. The vast majority of oil reserves are in the places
> mentioned. Since it was meant as humor, it was not intended to be
> exact in the details.


The vast majority of oli reserves are outside the US.
>>
>>>
>>> Our DIPSTICKS are located in Washington DC!!!!

>>
>>So that is where you live.

>
> What happened Jeff? Lose your sense of humor at a rest stop?


I think the problem is that you lost your sense of humor.

> Come
> on.... Lighten up a mite... it's political satire... and notice
> please that the "dipsticks" are bi-partisan dipsticks... not just
> Republicans or Democrats. So it wasn't Jimmy Carter... big deal. It is
> true that the pundits of the time did say they would fix things so it
> never happened again... and a lot of those pundits are still in
> office.


That was 32 years ago. Very few of those pundits are still in office. There
might be a few congressmen (few congresswomen back then) still in office.

> I think if you take a gander, you're the only one who took it serious
> and went off like a sky rocket in flight...


Actually, a sky rockets goes off before it is in flight.

Just don't give up your day job to be a comedian.

Jeff

>>
>>Jeff
>>> --
>>> Spike
>>> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
>>> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
>>> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
>>> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
>>> audio-video...
>>> See my ride at....
>>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
>>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
>>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
>>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg

>>

> --
> Spike
> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
> audio-video...
> See my ride at....
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg



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Old 11-11-2005, 06:01   #5 (permalink)
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In the 70s, the lines were very
> long and there were widespread shortages.
>
> We may have complained back then, but we didn't learn to do much about
> conservation, did we?
>


Are you serious? How many 4 cyl cars were there for sale in the US,
prior?

When did the US automakers start on designing for fuel efficiency rather
than just smog control?

How did the Japanese get their foothold... and, NO, it certainly wasnt
fit and finish!


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Old 11-11-2005, 07:01   #6 (permalink)
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"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970B5A415D6E3pettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the 70s, the lines were very
>> long and there were widespread shortages.
>>
>> We may have complained back then, but we didn't learn to do much about
>> conservation, did we?
>>

>
> Are you serious? How many 4 cyl cars were there for sale in the US,
> prior?


How many sell. Most people I know still buy big V8's. Sales numbers tell
us that the guzzlers are the top sellers.

> When did the US automakers start on designing for fuel efficiency rather
> than just smog control?


And people bought the big SUV's instead. Sales numbers tell the story.

> How did the Japanese get their foothold... and, NO, it certainly wasnt
> fit and finish!


Initially fuel economy, correct. Now they're building the bug guzzlers too!

I believe the person with the post was referring to the consumer as "we",
not the manufacturers anyway.



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Old 11-11-2005, 09:01   #7 (permalink)
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"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the 70s, the lines were very
>> long and there were widespread shortages.
>>
>> We may have complained back then, but we didn't learn to do much about
>> conservation, did we?
>>

>
> Are you serious? How many 4 cyl cars were there for sale in the US,
> prior?


Not many. How many V8s are for sale in the US now? A lot.

> When did the US automakers start on designing for fuel efficiency rather
> than just smog control?


And what is the CAFE (corporate aveage fuel economy) compared to what it
should be? What is the best selling vehicle in the US? A truck that get like
12 mpg.

> How did the Japanese get their foothold... and, NO, it certainly wasnt
> fit and finish!


Price.

Fit and finish is one reason why they sell so much now. They have a better
reputation for quality than Ford or GM.

Jeff

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> Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, staving off dementia here..DEAL with it!



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Old 11-11-2005, 09:01   #8 (permalink)
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"James C. Reeves" <jcnospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns970B5A415D6E3pettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In the 70s, the lines were very
>>> long and there were widespread shortages.
>>>
>>> We may have complained back then, but we didn't learn to do much about
>>> conservation, did we?
>>>

>>
>> Are you serious? How many 4 cyl cars were there for sale in the US,
>> prior?

>
> How many sell. Most people I know still buy big V8's. Sales numbers tell
> us that the guzzlers are the top sellers.
>
>> When did the US automakers start on designing for fuel efficiency rather
>> than just smog control?

>
> And people bought the big SUV's instead. Sales numbers tell the story.
>
>> How did the Japanese get their foothold... and, NO, it certainly wasnt
>> fit and finish!

>
> Initially fuel economy, correct. Now they're building the bug guzzlers
> too!


I don't see any bugs when I change my air filter. A few on the windshield,
sure. but I wouldn't say my car guzzles bugs.

> I believe the person with the post was referring to the consumer as "we",
> not the manufacturers anyway.


And who buys the big SUVs? We do.

Jeff


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Old 11-11-2005, 11:01   #9 (permalink)
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:38:48 GMT, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>news:8u78n1tg2fibvpibjj1bpdq1ahgochsln2@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:42:49 GMT, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>

SNIP
>> Today we complain (that's a generality) about the lines and the high
>> prices, and everything else, in exactly the same way we did back then.

>
>Not true. There are very few lines for gas. In the 70s, the lines were very
>long and there were widespread shortages.

Tell that to the folks in Florida and Louisiana, etc, after each
hurricane evacuation, whether mandated or voluntary.
>
>We may have complained back then, but we didn't learn to do much about
>conservation, did we?

Actually, we did. After that came the era of the small vehicles, with
small engines. the Mustang IIs, and the Datsuns.

However, as is normal with human nature, over time people forget about
bad experiences, like gas lines, and revert to old ways. And those who
were too young, or not even born yet have nothing to compare except
the stories their parents tell... and who listens to parents?

The biggest change has come in the last decade or so. All those fresh
young technos who made a killing and could afford all the toys, with
all the bells and whistles.... or at least thought they could. Never
mind that many of them are deep in hock. They are the ones who wanted
to live like the movie stars and jetsetters.To be the Bill Gates and
Steve Jobs and Martha Stewart's of the modern era.

It's like giving a kid a choice, 'Do you want to go to Disneyworld, or
do you want to go mow the lawn?'
>>>
>>>> Our oil is located in Alaska, California, coastal Florida, coastal
>>>> Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, and Texas....
>>>

>The vast majority of oli reserves are outside the US.

I was speaking of US oil reserves. Not Saudi, not Argentinean, not
Mexican, not Canadian. Again, so what? You took a piece of humor and
turned it into some kind of classroom lecture.

>>>> Our DIPSTICKS are located in Washington DC!!!!
>>>
>>>So that is where you live.

I previously ignored the fact that you became insulting. Now, I simply
wonder why you found the need to revert to such self demeaning
measures over a joke, dumb or otherwise.
>>
>> What happened Jeff? Lose your sense of humor at a rest stop?

>
>I think the problem is that you lost your sense of humor.

I'm not the one who couldn't see the humor in the original post. You
are the one who took it serious and made a big deal out of it.
>
>> Come
>> on.... Lighten up a mite... it's political satire... and notice
>> please that the "dipsticks" are bi-partisan dipsticks... not just
>> Republicans or Democrats. So it wasn't Jimmy Carter... big deal. It is
>> true that the pundits of the time did say they would fix things so it
>> never happened again... and a lot of those pundits are still in
>> office.

>
>That was 32 years ago. Very few of those pundits are still in office. There
>might be a few congressmen (few congresswomen back then) still in office.

Once again; so what is the big deal? Are you simply trying to find
fault out of embarrassment for not recognizing the joke?

I know when it was, as I was one of many who suffered through long
lines and rationing based on a number on my license plate. And when I
wasn't dealing with it on a personal level, I was one of many being
dispatched to break up fights and control traffic.
>
>> I think if you take a gander, you're the only one who took it serious
>> and went off like a sky rocket in flight...

>
>Actually, a sky rockets goes off before it is in flight.

Incorrect. Check with anyone who handles fireworks for celebrations.
The sky rockets to use go off when they reach the designated altitude
based on the timing of the fusing.
>
>Just don't give up your day job to be a comedian.

Never planned to. I enjoy retirement. Besides, even Jay Leno bombs
out once in a while, or has an audience where not everyone gets the
joke.
>
>Jeff
>
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>> --
>>>> Spike
>>>> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
>>>> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
>>>> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
>>>> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
>>>> audio-video...
>>>> See my ride at....
>>>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
>>>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
>>>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
>>>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg
>>>

>> --
>> Spike
>> 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
>> w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
>> Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
>> gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
>> audio-video...
>> See my ride at....
>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
>> Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
>> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg

>

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Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/E...ebuild_006.jpg
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:01   #10 (permalink)
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Interesting article regarding running out of oil, I submit it here for
your consideration / discussion.
It came out between 6 months and a year ago, so it's slightly dated.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633

Pretty much everything comes from oil and we've been on the bottom
half of the tank since the '70's, and consuming ever more. And there's
not really anything on the horizon that's going to take its place when
it runs out.
And it doesn't even HAVE to run out--as soon as it even starts getting
scarce there will be major problems.
And it's gonna happen--probably sooner than anyone is prepared for.
As Jung said, quoted in the article, "People can't take too much
reality."

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