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Old 03-17-2005, 22:01   #1 (permalink)
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picknose gets lesson in effieciency

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:14:33 -0500, "pick one" <try again!> wrote:

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><barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> lmfao
>>>> what does an air pump do
>>>> u do know how a cat works do you
>>>
>>>The cat is not liquid cooled. A damaged cat now longer works, add all the air
>>>from the pump you want. Once it is melted or coated with a contaminate the
>>>chemical process is done. So all the heat that the non working converter is
>>>making is going straight into the engine and melting valves? Valves that are
>>>designed to handle the very chemical reaction at the very place that makes all
>>>the heat in the first place? Tempetures that are above the converter
>>>
>>>> ?????????
>>>>

>>
>> no shit it is not liquid cooled
>>
>> are u a tard or what??
>> what is the temp of that exhaust gas
>> as it heats up more from the cat as it waits to pass through it
>>

>Pass through what, it's plugged.
>
>>
>> when its compltetlyplugged it no longer works
>> however it does not all melt down at once once its melted its
>> resricted thus the unrestricted part has more work to do
>> more work = more HEAT
>>

>What extra heat, the intake air is diluted, less heat. What extra work?
>
>> ever take physics??
>> more load= more exhaust through a lesser area

>
>In order to put that exhaust through the restriction you have to raise the
>pressure. That means the engine has to consume more air to pump into the
>exhaust, so if the engine can not take in more air, it can not raise the
>pressure in the exhaust enough to over come the restriction. That is physics.
>The fact is this pump is a heat engine it must make fire to run. No O2 no fire,
>no pressure. More physics. If the cylinder has an equal pressure to the intake,
>it can not take in more air. Higher pressure goes to low. Gee' it seems that the
>engine just stops running....................
>>




lmfao
i dont belive this crap u spew
lets review grade 8 science

i will keep this simple for YOU

lmfao
the engine does work
work takes energy
energy makes heat

a more effiecient engine
uses less energy = less heat


what happens to engine EFFIECIENCY
whe u restrict exhaust??????


hurc ast
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Old 03-17-2005, 22:01   #2 (permalink)
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<barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:14:33 -0500, "pick one" <try again!> wrote:
>
>>
>><barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
>>news:m5kk31hnb88htio9uv4ke827gsa110qtv1@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> lmfao
>>>>> what does an air pump do
>>>>> u do know how a cat works do you
>>>>
>>>>The cat is not liquid cooled. A damaged cat now longer works, add all the
>>>>air
>>>>from the pump you want. Once it is melted or coated with a contaminate the
>>>>chemical process is done. So all the heat that the non working converter is
>>>>making is going straight into the engine and melting valves? Valves that are
>>>>designed to handle the very chemical reaction at the very place that makes
>>>>all
>>>>the heat in the first place? Tempetures that are above the converter
>>>>
>>>>> ?????????
>>>>>
>>>
>>> no shit it is not liquid cooled
>>>
>>> are u a tard or what??
>>> what is the temp of that exhaust gas
>>> as it heats up more from the cat as it waits to pass through it
>>>

>>Pass through what, it's plugged.
>>
>>>
>>> when its compltetlyplugged it no longer works
>>> however it does not all melt down at once once its melted its
>>> resricted thus the unrestricted part has more work to do
>>> more work = more HEAT
>>>

>>What extra heat, the intake air is diluted, less heat. What extra work?
>>
>>> ever take physics??
>>> more load= more exhaust through a lesser area

>>
>>In order to put that exhaust through the restriction you have to raise the
>>pressure. That means the engine has to consume more air to pump into the
>>exhaust, so if the engine can not take in more air, it can not raise the
>>pressure in the exhaust enough to over come the restriction. That is physics.
>>The fact is this pump is a heat engine it must make fire to run. No O2 no
>>fire,
>>no pressure. More physics. If the cylinder has an equal pressure to the
>>intake,
>>it can not take in more air. Higher pressure goes to low. Gee' it seems that
>>the
>>engine just stops running....................
>>>

>
>
>
> lmfao
> i dont belive this crap u spew
> lets review grade 8 science
>
> i will keep this simple for YOU
>
> lmfao
> the engine does work
> work takes energy
> energy makes heat
>
> a more effiecient engine
> uses less energy = less heat
>
>
> what happens to engine EFFIECIENCY
> whe u restrict exhaust??????
>
>
> hurc ast


Put a burning candle on a plate. Put a big glass over it so that the glass in
resting on the plate and the candle is inside, what happens? The candle goes
out. Why? Lack of oxygen. So does the candle burn hotter in it last struggle
form breath? No don't think so. It just goes out. So an engine that is starving
for O2 makes a lot of heat because it is less efficient? Tell me about 8th grade
science. I' going to bed you have all night, try to make it intelligent.


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Old 03-18-2005, 01:01   #3 (permalink)
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:28:41 -0500, "pick one" <try again!> wrote:

>
><barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
>news:k9lk31pftppeuee1m5lcb68c1331fpof3l@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:14:33 -0500, "pick one" <try again!> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
>>>news:m5kk31hnb88htio9uv4ke827gsa110qtv1@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lmfao
>>>>>> what does an air pump do
>>>>>> u do know how a cat works do you
>>>>>
>>>>>The cat is not liquid cooled. A damaged cat now longer works, add all the
>>>>>air
>>>>>from the pump you want. Once it is melted or coated with a contaminate the
>>>>>chemical process is done. So all the heat that the non working converter is
>>>>>making is going straight into the engine and melting valves? Valves that are
>>>>>designed to handle the very chemical reaction at the very place that makes
>>>>>all
>>>>>the heat in the first place? Tempetures that are above the converter
>>>>>
>>>>>> ?????????
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no shit it is not liquid cooled
>>>>
>>>> are u a tard or what??
>>>> what is the temp of that exhaust gas
>>>> as it heats up more from the cat as it waits to pass through it
>>>>
>>>Pass through what, it's plugged.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> when its compltetlyplugged it no longer works
>>>> however it does not all melt down at once once its melted its
>>>> resricted thus the unrestricted part has more work to do
>>>> more work = more HEAT
>>>>
>>>What extra heat, the intake air is diluted, less heat. What extra work?
>>>
>>>> ever take physics??
>>>> more load= more exhaust through a lesser area
>>>
>>>In order to put that exhaust through the restriction you have to raise the
>>>pressure. That means the engine has to consume more air to pump into the
>>>exhaust, so if the engine can not take in more air, it can not raise the
>>>pressure in the exhaust enough to over come the restriction. That is physics.
>>>The fact is this pump is a heat engine it must make fire to run. No O2 no
>>>fire,
>>>no pressure. More physics. If the cylinder has an equal pressure to the
>>>intake,
>>>it can not take in more air. Higher pressure goes to low. Gee' it seems that
>>>the
>>>engine just stops running....................
>>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> lmfao
>> i dont belive this crap u spew
>> lets review grade 8 science
>>
>> i will keep this simple for YOU
>>
>> lmfao
>> the engine does work
>> work takes energy
>> energy makes heat
>>
>> a more effiecient engine
>> uses less energy = less heat
>>
>>
>> what happens to engine EFFIECIENCY
>> whe u restrict exhaust??????
>>
>>
>> hurc ast

>
>Put a burning candle on a plate. Put a big glass over it so that the glass in
>resting on the plate and the candle is inside, what happens? The candle goes
>out. Why? Lack of oxygen. So does the candle burn hotter in it last struggle
>form breath? No don't think so. It just goes out. So an engine that is starving
>for O2 makes a lot of heat because it is less efficient? Tell me about 8th grade
>science. I' going to bed you have all night, try to make it intelligent.
>



lmfao

duhhhhhhhh
u forgot how a cat works
FAIL year 2 apprentice
again the cat is not starved for air
its called an AIR PUMP and fuel comes fron the injectors which
are now making a lean mixture


U GO GIRL

BWHAHAHAHAHA
cant argue with grade 8 science
more efficirnt = less heat


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Old 03-18-2005, 02:01   #4 (permalink)
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:22:51 GMT, barney rubble@sky.com wrote:

><snip>
>lmfao
>i dont belive this crap u spew
>lets review grade 8 science
>i will keep this simple for YOU
>lmfao
>the engine does work
>work takes energy
>energy makes heat
>
>a more effiecient engine
>uses less energy = less heat
>
>what happens to engine EFFIECIENCY
>whe u restrict exhaust??????
>
>hurc ast


Is this for real? Seriously... someone's jerking our chain's here
right? Or is it just me?

>"the engine does work work takes energy energy makes heat"


I hope this individual is never allowed near anything mechanical.

Just for fun:
My understanding of engines, explained like the above goes:

Fuel/Air Mixture enters combustion chamber through intake valve and is
compressed when intake valve closes.
Rapid oxidation of fuel occurs heating Nitrogen gas resulting in rapid
expansion of the gas driving piston down. Exhaust valve opens
allowing pressurized spent gasses and byproducts to be released.
Exhaust valve is closed & intake valve opens allowing the cylinder to
be re-charged on the downstroke of the piston.

However..........
If the catalyst material in the exhaust is plugged no spent
oxygen/nitrogen mix will be allowed to leave thus resulting in a
positively charged cylinder upon opening of the intake valve. No
negative cylinder pressure but positive cylinder pressure means no
fuel/oxygen mix entering the cylinder, means no rapid oxidation.
means........ (drum roll). NO HEAT. cold cat.

But........ that's an aside. I'm thinking this is a trick question.
I can't find EFFIECIENCY in any dictionaries in my house. Anyone in
the NG have the definition, 'cause I can't even guess at an answer
unless I can understand the question.
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Old 03-18-2005, 05:01   #5 (permalink)
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<barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:28:41 -0500, "pick one" <try again!> wrote:
>
>>
>><barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
>>news:k9lk31pftppeuee1m5lcb68c1331fpof3l@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:14:33 -0500, "pick one" <try again!> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:m5kk31hnb88htio9uv4ke827gsa110qtv1@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lmfao
>>>>>>> what does an air pump do
>>>>>>> u do know how a cat works do you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The cat is not liquid cooled. A damaged cat now longer works, add all the
>>>>>>air
>>>>>>from the pump you want. Once it is melted or coated with a contaminate the
>>>>>>chemical process is done. So all the heat that the non working converter
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>making is going straight into the engine and melting valves? Valves that
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>designed to handle the very chemical reaction at the very place that makes
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>the heat in the first place? Tempetures that are above the converter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?????????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> no shit it is not liquid cooled
>>>>>
>>>>> are u a tard or what??
>>>>> what is the temp of that exhaust gas
>>>>> as it heats up more from the cat as it waits to pass through it
>>>>>
>>>>Pass through what, it's plugged.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> when its compltetlyplugged it no longer works
>>>>> however it does not all melt down at once once its melted its
>>>>> resricted thus the unrestricted part has more work to do
>>>>> more work = more HEAT
>>>>>
>>>>What extra heat, the intake air is diluted, less heat. What extra work?
>>>>
>>>>> ever take physics??
>>>>> more load= more exhaust through a lesser area
>>>>
>>>>In order to put that exhaust through the restriction you have to raise the
>>>>pressure. That means the engine has to consume more air to pump into the
>>>>exhaust, so if the engine can not take in more air, it can not raise the
>>>>pressure in the exhaust enough to over come the restriction. That is
>>>>physics.
>>>>The fact is this pump is a heat engine it must make fire to run. No O2 no
>>>>fire,
>>>>no pressure. More physics. If the cylinder has an equal pressure to the
>>>>intake,
>>>>it can not take in more air. Higher pressure goes to low. Gee' it seems that
>>>>the
>>>>engine just stops running....................
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> lmfao
>>> i dont belive this crap u spew
>>> lets review grade 8 science
>>>
>>> i will keep this simple for YOU
>>>
>>> lmfao
>>> the engine does work
>>> work takes energy
>>> energy makes heat
>>>
>>> a more effiecient engine
>>> uses less energy = less heat
>>>
>>>
>>> what happens to engine EFFIECIENCY
>>> whe u restrict exhaust??????
>>>
>>>
>>> hurc ast

>>
>>Put a burning candle on a plate. Put a big glass over it so that the glass in
>>resting on the plate and the candle is inside, what happens? The candle goes
>>out. Why? Lack of oxygen. So does the candle burn hotter in it last struggle
>>form breath? No don't think so. It just goes out. So an engine that is
>>starving
>>for O2 makes a lot of heat because it is less efficient? Tell me about 8th
>>grade
>>science. I' going to bed you have all night, try to make it intelligent.
>>

>
>
> lmfao
>
> duhhhhhhhh
> u forgot how a cat works
> FAIL year 2 apprentice
> again the cat is not starved for air
> its called an AIR PUMP and fuel comes fron the injectors which
> are now making a lean mixture
>
>


Well that is assuming the engine is equipped with an air pump. Let see, that
would make it a push rod engine like the 5.0. The 4.6 does not have an air pump.
Fact is Ford stopped using thermactor air pretty much by the mid 90's. But lets
assume the vehicle is equipped with a 5.0, it has an air pump. Your saying a
melted and restricted cat converter will still do it's job? A converter that you
say is contaminated will still work? That this engine will also have cylinder
head temperature sensors so that you will get cylinder head over heat codes? Not
going to happen, 5.0's do not have cylinder head temperature sensors. Lean code?
Most likely not. The converter is after the O2 sensor and it's
plugged.............that seems to prevent air being pumped into the cat does it
not? Oh you mean up stream air delivery? Ok lets look at the operating mode
sequence of the typical thermactor air system.

Cold start; Dump
Cold Drive away; Dump
Warm-up/Drive Cruise; Upstream
Hot Cruise; Downstream
Hot Acceleration; Downstream
Hot WOT Acceleration; Downstream
Hot Curb Idle; Downstream
Hot Shutdown; Off
Hot Start; Downstream or Upstream Momentarily

So what does Dump mean? Air going to atmosphere not to any part of the exhaust.
Notice that the air is only delivered upstream at warm-up? It's there for what a
few minuets, then goes down stream. So you have an air pump trying to pump air
in a plugged exhaust and it's after the O2 sensor.................seems like
your grabbing at straws there bubba.




> U GO GIRL
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHA
> cant argue with grade 8 science
> more efficirnt = less heat
>
>
> hurc ast



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Old 03-18-2005, 10:02   #6 (permalink)
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opined in news:

> i will keep this simple for YOU
>
> lmfao
> the engine does work
> work takes energy
> energy makes heat
>
> a more effiecient engine
> uses less energy = less heat
>
>
>
> hurc ast


bullshit!

Work makes heat, energy doesnt "make heat", energy (air, fuel) is static...
it's the conversion process when it's used in creating 'work' that produces
heat.

While the end result is essentially the same, bogus illiterate, faulty
memorization doesnt help.

Before you get all smartass... the flame on a candle or a propane torch is
'work' which is to say: a physical conversion process.

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Old 03-18-2005, 12:01   #7 (permalink)
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opined in news:l8pk31l7b2lh1c60k6l16manoote21ir1a@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:28:41 -0500, "pick one" <try again!> wrote:
>
>>
>><barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
>>news:k9lk31pftppeuee1m5lcb68c1331fpof3l@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:14:33 -0500, "pick one" <try again!> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><barney rubble@sky.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:m5kk31hnb88htio9uv4ke827gsa110qtv1@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lmfao
>>>>>>> what does an air pump do
>>>>>>> u do know how a cat works do you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The cat is not liquid cooled. A damaged cat now longer works, add
>>>>>>all the air
>>>>>>from the pump you want. Once it is melted or coated with a
>>>>>>contaminate the chemical process is done. So all the heat that the
>>>>>>non working converter is making is going straight into the engine
>>>>>>and melting valves? Valves that are designed to handle the very
>>>>>>chemical reaction at the very place that makes all
>>>>>>the heat in the first place? Tempetures that are above the converter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?????????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> no shit it is not liquid cooled
>>>>>
>>>>> are u a tard or what??
>>>>> what is the temp of that exhaust gas
>>>>> as it heats up more from the cat as it waits to pass through it
>>>>>
>>>>Pass through what, it's plugged.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> when its compltetlyplugged it no longer works
>>>>> however it does not all melt down at once once its melted its
>>>>> resricted thus the unrestricted part has more work to do
>>>>> more work = more HEAT
>>>>>
>>>>What extra heat, the intake air is diluted, less heat. What extra
>>>>work?
>>>>
>>>>> ever take physics??
>>>>> more load= more exhaust through a lesser area
>>>>
>>>>In order to put that exhaust through the restriction you have to raise
>>>>the pressure. That means the engine has to consume more air to pump
>>>>into the exhaust, so if the engine can not take in more air, it can
>>>>not raise the pressure in the exhaust enough to over come the
>>>>restriction. That is physics. The fact is this pump is a heat engine
>>>>it must make fire to run. No O2 no fire,
>>>>no pressure. More physics. If the cylinder has an equal pressure to
>>>>the intake,
>>>>it can not take in more air. Higher pressure goes to low. Gee' it
>>>>seems that the
>>>>engine just stops running....................
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> lmfao
>>> i dont belive this crap u spew
>>> lets review grade 8 science
>>>
>>> i will keep this simple for YOU
>>>
>>> lmfao
>>> the engine does work
>>> work takes energy
>>> energy makes heat
>>>
>>> a more effiecient engine
>>> uses less energy = less heat
>>>
>>>
>>> what happens to engine EFFIECIENCY
>>> whe u restrict exhaust??????
>>>
>>>
>>> hurc ast

>>
>>Put a burning candle on a plate. Put a big glass over it so that the
>>glass in resting on the plate and the candle is inside, what happens?
>>The candle goes out. Why? Lack of oxygen. So does the candle burn hotter
>>in it last struggle form breath? No don't think so. It just goes out. So
>>an engine that is starving for O2 makes a lot of heat because it is less
>>efficient? Tell me about 8th grade science. I' going to bed you have all
>>night, try to make it intelligent.
>>

>
>
> lmfao
>
> duhhhhhhhh
> u forgot how a cat works
> FAIL year 2 apprentice
> again the cat is not starved for air
> its called an AIR PUMP and fuel comes fron the injectors which
> are now making a lean mixture


No they are NOT making a leaner mixture... YOU just failed basic EEC!

When a cat is plugged, the engine does not breathe easily, SO less air = less
fuel.

Engine overheat due to plugged CAT? Dont think so, Tim.


>
>
> U GO GIRL
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHA
> cant argue with grade 8 science
> more efficirnt = less heat
>
>
> hurc ast


What a dumb ass!



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Old 03-18-2005, 18:01   #8 (permalink)
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:10:15 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog@Yaywho.com> wrote:

> opined in news:
>
>> i will keep this simple for YOU
>>
>> lmfao
>> the engine does work
>> work takes energy
>> energy makes heat
>>
>> a more effiecient engine
>> uses less energy = less heat
>>
>>
>>
>> hurc ast

>
>bullshit!
>
>Work makes heat, energy doesnt "make heat", energy (air, fuel) is static...
>it's the conversion process when it's used in creating 'work' that produces
>heat.
>
>While the end result is essentially the same, bogus illiterate, faulty
>memorization doesnt help.
>
>Before you get all smartass... the flame on a candle or a propane torch is
>'work' which is to say: a physical conversion process.



can ya have the fire without the energy


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<3 dog nite@swatch.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:10:15 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
> <pettyfog@Yaywho.com> wrote:
>
>> opined in news:
>>
>>> i will keep this simple for YOU
>>>
>>> lmfao
>>> the engine does work
>>> work takes energy
>>> energy makes heat
>>>
>>> a more effiecient engine
>>> uses less energy = less heat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hurc ast

>>
>>bullshit!
>>
>>Work makes heat, energy doesnt "make heat", energy (air, fuel) is static...
>>it's the conversion process when it's used in creating 'work' that produces
>>heat.
>>
>>While the end result is essentially the same, bogus illiterate, faulty
>>memorization doesnt help.
>>
>>Before you get all smartass... the flame on a candle or a propane torch is
>>'work' which is to say: a physical conversion process.

>
>
> can ya have the fire without the energy
>
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fire is energy, even if the heat produced is very low it is energy. Call it
chemical reaction or thermo, it's heat is energy.


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Old 03-19-2005, 03:01   #10 (permalink)
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Been a while since I've seen a belt driven air pump... the electric ones
only run lomg enough to light the converter..... is barney busted?


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