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Old 08-22-2005, 14:01   #1 (permalink)
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R-12 needed in Raleigh, NC

Does anyone have about 10 pounds of R-12 to recharge three auto ACs? I
have a guy who can do the work, but he can't seem to find any R-12
around and he doesn't want to buy a whole 30 pound tank to do three cars.

He is going to install new seals and receiver/dryers, but I am hoping to
save $300 a pop for replacing the compressors if we were to switch over
to R-134A.

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Old 08-22-2005, 14:01   #2 (permalink)
Lee
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Re: R-12 needed in Raleigh, NC

there is this stuff called Freeze 12, their website is
http://www.freeze12.com/
My buddy uses it all the time.... his 1972 Datsun truck is freezing when he
charge it with it....

-Lee

"USENET NEWSREADER" <usenetreader1234@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have about 10 pounds of R-12 to recharge three auto ACs? I
> have a guy who can do the work, but he can't seem to find any R-12 around
> and he doesn't want to buy a whole 30 pound tank to do three cars.
>
> He is going to install new seals and receiver/dryers, but I am hoping to
> save $300 a pop for replacing the compressors if we were to switch over to
> R-134A.
>
> Please reply by removing the "1234" from the posted e-mail addy.



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Old 08-22-2005, 15:01   #3 (permalink)
Sharon K.Cooke
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Re: R-12 needed in Raleigh, NC

USENET NEWSREADER wrote:
>
> Does anyone have about 10 pounds of R-12 to recharge three auto ACs? I
> have a guy who can do the work, but he can't seem to find any R-12
> around and he doesn't want to buy a whole 30 pound tank to do three cars.
>
> He is going to install new seals and receiver/dryers, but I am hoping to
> save $300 a pop for replacing the compressors if we were to switch over
> to R-134A.
>
> Please reply by removing the "1234" from the posted e-mail addy.


Look on eBay. Lots of sellers there. All anyone needs is money AND the EPA 609
certificate.
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Old 08-22-2005, 16:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: R-12 needed in Raleigh, NC

Sharon K.Cooke wrote:
> USENET NEWSREADER wrote:
>
>>Does anyone have about 10 pounds of R-12 to recharge three auto ACs? I
>>have a guy who can do the work, but he can't seem to find any R-12
>>around and he doesn't want to buy a whole 30 pound tank to do three cars.
>>
>>He is going to install new seals and receiver/dryers, but I am hoping to
>>save $300 a pop for replacing the compressors if we were to switch over
>>to R-134A.
>>
>>Please reply by removing the "1234" from the posted e-mail addy.

>
>
> Look on eBay. Lots of sellers there. All anyone needs is money AND the EPA 609
> certificate.


Don't want to deal wtih E-bay and don't want to order some bogus R-12 on
the net - I want local sources for R-12 - I just need a few pounds.

Can anyone provide an actual answer to the question - does anyone have a
small amount (less than 10 pounds) of R-12 available locally?
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Old 08-22-2005, 18:01   #5 (permalink)
Lee
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Re: R-12 needed in Raleigh, NC

Freeze 12 is not some crap off the net. This stuff really works in R12 cars.

-Lee



"USENET NEWSREADER" <usenetreader1234@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Sharon K.Cooke wrote:
>> USENET NEWSREADER wrote:
>>
>>>Does anyone have about 10 pounds of R-12 to recharge three auto ACs? I
>>>have a guy who can do the work, but he can't seem to find any R-12
>>>around and he doesn't want to buy a whole 30 pound tank to do three cars.
>>>
>>>He is going to install new seals and receiver/dryers, but I am hoping to
>>>save $300 a pop for replacing the compressors if we were to switch over
>>>to R-134A.
>>>
>>>Please reply by removing the "1234" from the posted e-mail addy.

>>
>>
>> Look on eBay. Lots of sellers there. All anyone needs is money AND the
>> EPA 609
>> certificate.

>
> Don't want to deal wtih E-bay and don't want to order some bogus R-12 on
> the net - I want local sources for R-12 - I just need a few pounds.
>
> Can anyone provide an actual answer to the question - does anyone have a
> small amount (less than 10 pounds) of R-12 available locally?



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Old 08-22-2005, 22:01   #6 (permalink)
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USENET NEWSREADER <usenetreader1234@earthlink.net> wrote in news:JfqOe.284
$_84.61@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:

> Does anyone have about 10 pounds of R-12 to recharge three auto ACs? I
> have a guy who can do the work, but he can't seem to find any R-12
> around and he doesn't want to buy a whole 30 pound tank to do three cars.
>
> He is going to install new seals and receiver/dryers, but I am hoping to
> save $300 a pop for replacing the compressors if we were to switch over
> to R-134A.
>
> Please reply by removing the "1234" from the posted e-mail addy.


First, depending on the car/model/year, you dont have to change the
compressors.

Second, I know people who have used freeze 12 and it works just fine... for
me, though, any ford I've switched to 134a, from 1984 up works great with
the conversion and no compressor or orifice change, But you SHOULD replace
the accum.
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Old 08-22-2005, 23:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: R-12 needed in Raleigh, NC

"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote

> First, depending on the car/model/year, you dont have to change the
> compressors.
>
> Second, I know people who have used freeze 12 and it works just fine...
> for
> me, though, any ford I've switched to 134a, from 1984 up works great with
> the conversion and no compressor or orifice change, But you SHOULD replace
> the accum.


Yeah, all you need to change to R134 correctly is a vacuum pump to evacuate
the Freon. The proper way to do this is a shop to capture it that sometimes
will do it for free to keep the R12. If you do not vac it all out, the R12
may react with the R134 to form an acidic substance that can block the
system expansion valve.

No need to do anything else. I did two cars, changing over to R134, the
beginning of the summer including a Golf and a Mercury Topaz for a friend
and BOTH have ran perfectly all summer with just pulling a vacuum and using
the retrofit kit of around 32 bucks. That is all it tells you to do on the
website of the retrofit manufacturer also -to pull a vacuum before changing
over - it uses a premix of ester oil. I have a license for R12 but changed
over anyway the cars have been pretty cold too - I expected them to blow
warmer. R12 on Ebay is NOT fake like someone wrote. I have bought it a
couple of times. I think he just wants to buy it without the 609
certification. "Fake", come on!

Harry


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Old 08-23-2005, 07:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: R-12 needed in Raleigh, NC

Lee wrote:
> Freeze 12 is not some crap off the net. This stuff really works in R12 cars.
>
> -Lee
>
>
>


The "actual" answer is: You are looking to buy from a private individual. Most who
have it, don't want to part with it. You can purchase it locally through auto parts
stores but you need 609 Certification. Virgin R-12 is available on E-Bay, again with
Certification. Your "AC Guy" should have the necessary certification to purchase any
quantity of R-12 from any source. If not, you really shouldn't have him work on your
R-12 system.

Freeze 12 ia a viable alternative that works very well but it has some drawbacks. It
is a blend of refrigerants. If a small leak develops the lighter component (R-22?)
will leak out first. This is the component that carries the mineral oil in the system.
"Topping off" then leaves too little in the system, possibly starving the compressor.

You mention replacing the compressor to do an R-134 conversion. This is unnecessary
unless the shaft or body seals are leaking, then it would need to be repaired\replaced
regardless of refrigerant. There is no internal difference in the compressors.
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Old 08-23-2005, 08:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: R-12 needed in Raleigh, NC

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:40:38 GMT, USENET NEWSREADER
<usenetreader1234@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Don't want to deal wtih E-bay and don't want to order some bogus R-12 on
>the net - I want local sources for R-12 - I just need a few pounds.
>
>Can anyone provide an actual answer to the question - does anyone have a
>small amount (less than 10 pounds) of R-12 available locally?


Try Bottoms Tire and Auto in Rocky Mount (with the new bypass, it's a
LITTLE more local, LOL)... I had my Cabrio's a/c recharged there last
month, and I'm purdy sure he used the "real stuff". (Tell him the
Black VW Convertible with the oil buzzer guy sent you, he'll know who
you mean, LOL).

--S. John



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Old 08-23-2005, 13:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: R-12 needed in Raleigh, NC

How much are you willing to pay per pound? I have a cylinder of Freon 12
that I could sell you part of (give me a deposit, use what you need, pay for
it, return the rest).

Ed

"USENET NEWSREADER" <usenetreader1234@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have about 10 pounds of R-12 to recharge three auto ACs? I
> have a guy who can do the work, but he can't seem to find any R-12
> around and he doesn't want to buy a whole 30 pound tank to do three cars.
>
> He is going to install new seals and receiver/dryers, but I am hoping to
> save $300 a pop for replacing the compressors if we were to switch over
> to R-134A.
>
> Please reply by removing the "1234" from the posted e-mail addy.



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