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Old 04-08-2005, 10:01   #1 (permalink)
Bret
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Re: 93 taurus stalls with no warning

Hi,

About six months ago our 1993 Taurus would also stop running intermittently.
It might be at a stop light, or while riding down the road. The engine would
just quit running immediately. No sputters or fading; just stop running. It
would be fine for a couple weeks, or even a month, then it would just stop
running at the most undesirable time and place. I'd crank the engine for
about 10 seconds and then it would start right up as if nothing happened,
and would be ok for another week or two.

I talked to a couple friends and the opinion seemed to be to replace the
fuel pump. Since the car only has 50,000 miles on it (and one owner) this
just didn't seem logical - even if it is a Ford.

I checked the engine codes, fuel pump pressure, the inertia switch, voltage
to the pump, replaced the fuel filter, etc, and everything was 100%. But
still the car would just do it's surprise engine stop.

I looked into the procedure for the tank and pump removal and it looked like
a nasty job to be avoided. My brother had done a fuel pump job on a Taurus
and he confirmed this. So I "Googled" the Usenet and discovered this gem of
an article.

I picked up my * first * CCR modules at NAPA as suggested by Eastward Bound
in the previous thread. It was NAPA p/n AR761 and cost $74.99 + tax. I
installed the CCR module (ie. CCRM for short here), the car started, the AC
worked and the engine fan worked when it got hot. In addition to the fuel
pump replay, the CCRM has these relays embedded too. The wife took the kids
to school the next day, and while waiting in line to drop them off, the AC
high pressure valve blew off and scarred the sh__ out of her. She called me
and said there was "steam" coming out from under the hood and she had turned
the car off immediately. Ironically, I had just replaced the radiator a week
before, so I figured I left something loose, so I told her let it cool down,
turn off the AC, check the water level, then limp the car home without
baking the engine (please).

I come home to inspect the damage, and the water is fine, but I have AC oil
on the side of the engine. I have a schematic of the engine electrical, so
knew about the AC relay inside the CCRM. I got to the CCRM, and it was
baking hot and smelled like burning plastic. The AC clutch wouldn't work, so
I called NAPA, explained the situation, and they offered to replace the
CCRM. They confirmed that they had given me the correct part number. I let
them know that I was not happy at all about having to have my AC recharged
(thank you neighbor!) and that I would first like to have them call their
manufacturer (Echlin) and verify that the AC relay that was in there could
handle the AC clutch load of my 1993 Taurus. They called Echlin (they said)
and told me that I must have received a defective part, yes it was properly
designed, and that I could come in and pick up a replacement. I agreed to
that with the understanding that if it happened again, they would refund my
money no questions asked. They agreed.

So another 15 mile trip, another CCRM installed, and another half a day
shot. Next day the wife calls me from Target with the same "it scared the
sh__ out of me and steam coming out" story. I called NAPA, and told them I
was coming to get my money back.

Before I went to NAPA, I called my local Ford Parts Distributor. I know one
of the guys there by name because I also have a 1986 TuboCoupe that I had
recently finished replumbing. They had the Taurus CCRM in stock (p/n
F6DZ-12B577-AA ) and gave me a good preferred customer deal at $117 for the
part. He said they sell a lot of them. I'm thinking to myself, "Yep, I bet
they also sell them to every auto mechanic who replaces your Taurus fuel
pump for no reason." I brought the CCRM home, installed it, and have not had
a single problem with fuel starvation or the AC since.

One final note: Discount Auto (http://www.advanceautoparts.com/ ) said they
could also could get this part in about seven days out of California for
about the same price as NAPA. He said their part was made by GP Sorenson.
Perhaps their Sorenson part would have faired better than the NAPA Echlin
part. But alas, Ford Parts takes the gold medal on this one.

Thank you again gsrollins2000, Linda, Jim Z, jim and Eastward Bound for
posting your experiences and solution to this problem.

Regards,
Brcobrem

P.S. I tred to post this thread through Google Groups several times in the
last week and it appeared to post, but never actually did. I am using the
newsgroup capabilites of Outlook Express on this attempt.


"gsrollins2000" <gsrollins2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5ae600f6.0405091510.2706af71@posting.google.com...
> A few months ago my 1993 Ford Taurus stalled while sitting at a stop
> light. It started right up in about 2 minutes. No more problems for
> two weeks. Driving in town car just stalled. No warning. Started
> back up in about 2 minutes. A week later same thing. Always starts
> back up with in 2 minutes and runs fine. Never a warning. Check
> engine light never comes on. All electrical parts keep
> working(radio, lights, horn, electric window). Wehre should I start
> looking??



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Old 04-10-2005, 20:48   #2 (permalink)
krash51218
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Re: Re: 93 taurus stalls with no warning

"Bret" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> About six months ago our 1993 Taurus would also stop running
> intermittently.
> It might be at a stop light, or while riding down the road.
> The engine would
> just quit running immediately. No sputters or fading; just
> stop running. It
> would be fine for a couple weeks, or even a month, then it
> would just stop
> running at the most undesirable time and place. I'd crank the
> engine for
> about 10 seconds and then it would start right up as if
> nothing happened,
> and would be ok for another week or two.
>
> I talked to a couple friends and the opinion seemed to be to
> replace the
> fuel pump. Since the car only has 50,000 miles on it (and one
> owner) this
> just didn't seem logical - even if it is a Ford.
>
> I checked the engine codes, fuel pump pressure, the inertia
> switch, voltage
> to the pump, replaced the fuel filter, etc, and everything was
> 100%. But
> still the car would just do it's surprise engine stop.
>
> I looked into the procedure for the tank and pump removal and
> it looked like
> a nasty job to be avoided. My brother had done a fuel pump job
> on a Taurus
> and he confirmed this. So I "Googled" the Usenet and
> discovered this gem of
> an article.
>
> I picked up my * first * CCR modules at NAPA as suggested by
> Eastward Bound
> in the previous thread. It was NAPA p/n AR761 and cost $74.99
> + tax. I
> installed the CCR module (ie. CCRM for short here), the car
> started, the AC
> worked and the engine fan worked when it got hot. In addition
> to the fuel
> pump replay, the CCRM has these relays embedded too. The wife
> took the kids
> to school the next day, and while waiting in line to drop them
> off, the AC
> high pressure valve blew off and scarred the sh__ out of her.
> She called me
> and said there was "steam" coming out from under the hood and
> she had turned
> the car off immediately. Ironically, I had just replaced the
> radiator a week
> before, so I figured I left something loose, so I told her let
> it cool down,
> turn off the AC, check the water level, then limp the car home
> without
> baking the engine (please).
>
> I come home to inspect the damage, and the water is fine, but
> I have AC oil
> on the side of the engine. I have a schematic of the engine
> electrical, so
> knew about the AC relay inside the CCRM. I got to the CCRM,
> and it was
> baking hot and smelled like burning plastic. The AC clutch
> wouldn't work, so
> I called NAPA, explained the situation, and they offered to
> replace the
> CCRM. They confirmed that they had given me the correct part
> number. I let
> them know that I was not happy at all about having to have my
> AC recharged
> (thank you neighbor!) and that I would first like to have them
> call their
> manufacturer (Echlin) and verify that the AC relay that was in
> there could
> handle the AC clutch load of my 1993 Taurus. They called
> Echlin (they said)
> and told me that I must have received a defective part, yes it
> was properly
> designed, and that I could come in and pick up a replacement.
> I agreed to
> that with the understanding that if it happened again, they
> would refund my
> money no questions asked. They agreed.
>
> So another 15 mile trip, another CCRM installed, and another
> half a day
> shot. Next day the wife calls me from Target with the same "it
> scared the
> sh__ out of me and steam coming out" story. I called NAPA,
> and told them I
> was coming to get my money back.
>
> Before I went to NAPA, I called my local Ford Parts
> Distributor. I know one
> of the guys there by name because I also have a 1986 TuboCoupe
> that I had
> recently finished replumbing. They had the Taurus CCRM in
> stock (p/n
> F6DZ-12B577-AA ) and gave me a good preferred customer deal at
> $117 for the
> part. He said they sell a lot of them. I'm thinking to myself,
> "Yep, I bet
> they also sell them to every auto mechanic who replaces your
> Taurus fuel
> pump for no reason." I brought the CCRM home, installed it,
> and have not had
> a single problem with fuel starvation or the AC since.
>
> One final note: Discount Auto
> (http://www.advanceautoparts.com/ ) said they
> could also could get this part in about seven days out of
> California for
> about the same price as NAPA. He said their part was made by
> GP Sorenson.
> Perhaps their Sorenson part would have faired better than the
> NAPA Echlin
> part. But alas, Ford Parts takes the gold medal on this one.
>
> Thank you again gsrollins2000, Linda, Jim Z, jim and Eastward
> Bound for
> posting your experiences and solution to this problem.
>
> Regards,
> Brcobrem
>
> P.S. I tred to post this thread through Google Groups several
> times in the
> last week and it appeared to post, but never actually did. I
> am using the
> newsgroup capabilites of Outlook Express on this attempt.
>
>
> "gsrollins2000" <gsrollins2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5ae600f6.0405091510.2706af71@posting.google.com...
> > A few months ago my 1993 Ford Taurus stalled while sitting

> at a stop
> > light. It started right up in about 2 minutes. No more

> problems for
> > two weeks. Driving in town car just stalled. No warning.

> Started
> > back up in about 2 minutes. A week later same thing.

> Always starts
> > back up with in 2 minutes and runs fine. Never a warning.

> Check
> > engine light never comes on. All electrical parts keep
> > working(radio, lights, horn, electric window). Wehre should

> I start
> > looking??


I have a similiar problem with my Ford pickup but I have dual tank

I check to make sure I was getting gas -- none but if I prime

the carb it starts right up but I have to either wait a bit or prime
it up

numerous times. My advise to you to check to make sure you

have gas coming to the carb/throttle body. If not it could be

a problem with your fuel pump/regulator heating up

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